Biden Negotiating With Taliban

I hope we go back in and take it. It’s already on them. Biden gave them a way out yet they’re killing people in the streets and are not giving exit to Americans as of now. I think they should go in and remind them where they’re at on the food chain.

 

nope, have to discuss the Trump deal, where it failed, what Biden should do different, is there anything Biden can do now, is it too late, much to talk about

trying to censor some speech as you don't like it won't help

 

Trump didn’t have this happen did he. Biden did. If Trumps deal was bad it would have gone south under Trump. It went south under Biden’s lead.

 

if we go back, in, it has to be to kill the Taliban, as many as we can, no holding back - the Taliban best be careful

 

I like the way you think

 

then by that logic we have to first talk about Obama, and then we have to talk about Bush, and then we have to talk about 9/11 and then we have to talk about Afghanistan’s long history.

^that is very very silly logic

 

We have too many assets there. Thousands of human capital along with military weaponry that should be in no enemy’s hands. We can not let that happen. It’s also morally wrong to allow them to take control so they can harbor people like Bin Laden again

 

Trump set the date of the deal to be this year didn't he

if Biden makes a deal and sets it to take effect on the next Presidents watch, Biden is still partially responsible for his deal, is he not?

or we say, doesn't matter, Biden gets no blame for his deal, it did not take effect under his watch?

 

yes, any negotiations Bush or Obama made with the Taliban should also be discussed as all of them should be considered in a newer negotiation

the Trump deal is not ancient history

 

ohhh…okay I see where you are coming from. I agree then, but that includes everything that is relevant to current negotiations, not simply past negotiations. In which case by all means let’s talk about Trumps negotiations, but let’s be honest about the intent which should be to discuss how it will shape Biden’s decisions here. My feeling is people aren’t so much interested in connecting one negotiation with the leveraging etc of the other, they are interested only in shifting blame which is simply deflection, hence the lack of any real effort to logically connect them.

for example, since 5000 Taliban prisoners was brought up in Trumps deal, how is that relevant to Biden’s negotiating table? Does it give him leverage in some way? What way would that be and how would his own deal take that into account in a way beneficial to US interests?

 

I hope Biden's negotiations are successful.

BIDEN’S MESS: Afghans are racing to erase their online lives.

 

it's relevant as that is something Biden can not now give, as Trump already gave them that

it's also relevant as in we should not give the Taliban what ever we plan to give until we get our people out

we learn from our past mistakes, we don't try to forget the past cause we don't like how it makes our guy look


so, tell me, what kinda deal do you want to see now

 

So you are making an “if only” argument here. We can do that all day long going back to Obama, Bush, 9/11, Clinton, back through time and it will change nothing of what Biden is facing.

Thus 5000 prisoners is not relevant. In the slightest. Because 5000 prisoners has no bearing on negotiations because they aren’t on the table. We are talking about what is on the table, everything else is meaningless blame shifting, which is exactly what I thought you were up to here. Hate to see it proven right

 

well if you don't want to participate in the conversations, that is up to you

 

True, but some of those 5000 is whom Biden will be in negotiations with.

 

More "But Trump! But Trump!" Trump didn't screw up the exit. Because he's not President.

 

Biden is a puff ball. Biden has no presidential presence. Trump still does have that.

 

I have to credit Biden with one thing. He sure enjoyed defeat.
Folks, defense of Biden shall follow soon.

 

Biden effectively already gave them billions in advanced weapons. What's a few more billion in ransom money to pay to get our people out? *facepalm*

 

Do tell, just exactly how did he do that? Did he send them by plane or cargo ship?

 

He left lots of equipment for the Afghan forces, which he would have known would abandon it had he listened to his advisors. Effectively, he gave it to the Taliban. Duh.

 

He left it?

Or did the 7000 troops that left in 2018 leave it? Or did the 5000 troops that left between 2019-2020 leave it?

Please describe how the 2500 troops left when Biden took office could possibly go and take away all the equipment we had given to the Afghan forces over the last decade and get it out of the country.

This should be entertaining

 

But Trump! But Trump! It's like your new thing, lol. But Trump! But Trump!!

Easy. You temporarily bring in more troops to help move the equipment. A third grader could tell you that.

What Biden did was remove critical support capability from the Afghan forces. Without the intel and support backbone our minimal amount of troops were providing, the equipment we left there was nowhere as nearly useful to the Afghan troops.

 

I said nothing about Trump, do try and follow along.

Why did we not take it with us when we left in bulk? Would that not have been the prudent thing to do?

Or even better yet we should have never given them close to a trillion dollars worth of gear in the first place

 

That was your reference to 2018, lol. I caught that.

The arguments that convinced Trump to leave the troops there was that most of the troops were in support and training roles, guarding the air port that Biden just gave the Taliban, and providing logistical help. We'd not had a casualty since February of last year.

That was a sustainable position to argue for, since we were enabling the Afghan forces to fight the Taliban, which they did (and tens and tens of thousands died doing it).