Biden decides not to go beyond Aug. 31st deadline.

And make no mistake -- our allies have a 'dog in this fight', too, whether they like it or not.

Example: I've learned that Germany has close to 1,000 of its Bundeswehr military personnel stuck in 'Viet-ghanistan', and at present there's neither plan nor method to get them out yet....

 

I would presume there are some U.S. citizens among the Taliban, who may not want to come "home." But, I've never defended Biden regarding this fiasco. Neither Trump or Biden had adequate withdrawal plans. The common strategy seems to have been to ignore the 20 years we've been there and reverted to the success of our original mission, using that as the justification for the lack of withdrawal planning.

 

Okay, I expect there are some Afghan-American citizens who went to visit their families, but don't - unlike liberals - want to live under Taliban rule.

Go ahead and provide your sources for the current count.

 

They left in June

Germany pulls last troops from Afghanistan, ending nearly 20-year mission
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-pulls...stan-ending-nearly-20-year-mission/a-58097894
Germany has finished withdrawing its last contingent of around 570 soldiers from Afghanistan as the security situation deteriorates. The move marks the end of a nearly 20-year mission.

With US troops eyeing their final exit from Afghanistan in September, Germany pulled out all of its remaining troops on Tuesday. Last week, Germany's Defense Ministry said around 570 troops were still deployed.

The last of them have now been flown out of the northern city of Mazar — ending a nearly two decade-long mission. The contingent also included members of the KSK special forces, who were tasked with securing the camp during the move.

 

So Biden tipped them off. Figures.

 

IIRC, the Taliban deal happened in early 2020. I don't know if that was before or after Trump's call with Woodward about COVID being dangerous or not.

I estimate that by mid year, Trump's advisors had probably told him that he couldn't win re-election without either (1) getting some control over the pandemic mitigation, and/or (2) keeping people somewhat stabilized financially at the height of the first wave. If you recall, Trump delayed the first stimulus checks because he wanted his signature on them and to send out a letter to each recipient. That was simply him wanting his name associated with the checks (for election purposes). At the time, it seemed rather egotistical to many Americans because we all knew he was the POTUS at the time the checks were announced. He would have received credit for that anyway but it showed how tone deaf he was to the hardships many people and families were facing at the time. X number of days (or weeks or whatever it was) is a LONG time to people in desperate need of that support.

So, moving into late Summer/early Fall...Trump had a pretty good idea he was going to lose the election. If he didn't, he had incompetent advisors. However, I think he knew because of his appointment of DeJoy (who removed mailboxes and cut overtime), dropping seeds of election fraud here and there and similar type of moves to detract from his non-leadership of the pandemic. He even said that he would not take it well if Biden won (including he might leave the country).

Fast forward to the end date on the Taliban deal.

If Trump expected to win re-election, why set a date so far out?
For that matter, why didn't he broker this "negotiation with terrorists" in 2016, 2017, 2108, or 2019?
Why didn't he finalize it for before his term ended?
Why put the Taliban on notice (to ramp up their game because our soldiers will be out in 12-13 months)?
Why release 5,000 Taliban prisoners AFTER calling most of our soldiers home?

None of those actions speak of a leader that expects to retain his seat at the head of the table.

 

I have no count. This is an obvious surrender to the Taliban. IMO, our withdrawal plan should have included ANYONE who wants to leave the country and not live under Taliban rule...including native Afghan's. I think Trump only cared about a campaign promise...Biden, so he could say "see, I was right 20 years ago." Old people tend to live in the past. Apparently, neither cared much about a viable withdrawal plan.

 

Of course you have no count. Neither did Biden.

 

There is an explanation...he's insane.

 

Dude you have no clue what Trumps plans are jesus it's been 7 months. Number 2 Over the weekend the State Department and DOD didn't know how many Americans were in Afghanistan, now the doors are closing within a week. Wow what a sorry f'ing commander in chief, literally worst than Carter.

 

The State Department is correct in saying they don't keep count. Perhaps they should...or at least the CIA, which has people in our embassies. But, it isn't mandatory to register with the U.S. embassies when traveling abroad.

 

That's one theory I've heard a few times (like 64,876,432) . Only his doctors know for sure.

He did pass that test of five words with flying colors! so there's that!

 

You can read the Trump-Taliban Agreement for yourself...it's on the Internet. Detailed withdrawal planning beyond having all U.S. forces out by May 1sr, 2021, was left for subsequent negotiations between the Afghan government and the Taliban. Those negotiations never happened. IOW, there was NO detailed planning included in the Trump-Taliban Agreement.

 

Its been public knowledge for over a year, so why would they need to be tipped off? People with common sense leave war zones when the occupying's nation declares they are pulling out. Would you have stayed? You said people go there to visit family......Is this a good time to vacation in a war zone? Who are these people and why didn't they get out of dodge a year ago? Are they newly minted citizens?

Why don't they know? Because there was never a requirement to register with the US embassy, so people have been coming and going for 20 years. If you don't register then how can you expect anyone to come to your rescue?

 

He cheated.

 

LMAO, it is a full time job correcting reality for them.

 

Surprise! Surprise! Both did...for different reasons.

 

I posted the damn thing several times. Do you know how to read a calendar, Jan-May. You have no damn idea what the plan was or wasn't you posting complete BS, if you do source it.

Being reported now Military is now started shipping out again, this is about to get real ugly. Never in my wildest dreams could I imagine a worst leader, there are Americans throughout the country and no chance they could make it safely to the capital city and much less to the airport. These are American citizens and Afghans that helped us that will face the end of the barrel for helping us. At no time can I remember a President even considering leaving Americans in the hands of the enemy when there was and is a way to get them out. This joke of a President deserves to be dropped in the middle of Kabul. America values life we always have until this joke.

 

Trump would not allow Biden to attend security meetings or Covid meetings even after Biden won the election

 

Extremely.

 

No. This is happening, because Biden shut down the Airbase and pulled the rest of the troops. We maintained 2,500 there for a year with zero deaths.

 

Yes, it was reported that he was very, very spiteful toward the Bidens. He even fired the WH staff the day he left so the Bidens were locked out for a few minutes when arriving from the Inauguration.

Again, had I been a Trump supporter and voted for him in November, I would have easily distanced myself from him over how he acted between Election Day and Biden's Inauguration Day. It's one thing to be a sore loser on the soccer field in 7th grade. It's another to do it for all the world to see your dirty laundry.

And, even NOW, he is constantly sending out memos critiquing Biden. That's not how professionals are supposed to act. I don't watch much television (actually, I don't watch television at all but I've seen clips of his behavior on whatever show that he had. It's almost like he thinks that's *real* like that's the way REAL managers act. Some do but I would think a person who is PRESIDENT would show more class. There was no reason in the world he couldn't attend the Inauguration and behave better. His childish behavior is extremely off-putting.

 

Sorry. Didn’t know the US could not multitask.

 

Great story except the State department said they started texting them on Sunday...Maybe not all but there are thousands they know are there and can't get to the airport.

 

I have a feeling American women who are not able to get out in time will become part of some harem.