Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

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Should a woman who gets pregnant for any reason be forced to give birth against her will?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    Abortion is murder. You can throw any medical term you want at me. If you stop a human heart from beating it’s murder, period!
     
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    I have no idea, because I'm not them. Only the individual woman knows what they can afford (in terms of risk), according to their circumstances.

    If you accept that women are capable of making sound, grown up choices in relation to their fertility, then you have to accept whatever choices they make in regards to that. If she is willing to engage in unprotected sex at her fertile time, then ipso facto it means she fully accepts a potential conception. Denying this, means you deny women the sense to make that call.
     
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    That isn't the point. They may use protection and get pregnant anyway. Are you claiming women should avoid sex unless they want to have or are willing to take a significant risk of having a baby?

    You seem to be saying if you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex.
     
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    I'm saying nothing more than that it's ENTIRELY the individual woman's business. She chooses the potential result she's comfortable with, and behaves accordingly. That's where the buck stops .. at that fully autonomous choice.

    Do you have a problem with the idea of women having complete power/responsibility in regards to their fertility? Do you feel that women can't be trusted to make sound choices according to their circumstances? Do you feel men/Govt should interfere in those freely made choices, because women can't be trusted?
     
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    I object to the notion that we are supposed to live without sex unless we want a baby.

    I don't know what this is about the woman's business. If she plans to get pregnant I certainly have a right to know. So it isn't just her business.

    Getting pregnant is a trap many women use to pressure men to marry them. They lie and then get pregnant on purpose.
     
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    1) Well then don't live that way. No idea why you're mentioning that, sorry.

    2) Again, no idea what that has to do with a woman's autonomy and choices in her own fertility.

    3) Okay ...
     
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    Now we know what you (don't) get up to. Thanks for sharing.

    No, that's CELIBACY. No one here has ever advocated for celibacy.
     
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    Why do so many people get abortions when birth control is available? I know it sometimes doesn't work but that cannot be the sole reason for the amount of abortions.
     
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    That's the question our pals won't answer. Or if they do, they'll say if it's not a result of contraception failure, it will be because she's concerned about her mental health, or her finances. What they conveniently avoid discussing is why a woman with such concerns would be risking a pregnancy in the first place. Obviously she wouldnt - so that puts the lie to those claims.

    They don't want to acknowledge that women have every right to make shitty decisions and irresponsible choices. They want women infantalised, so they don't have to give them that agency.
     
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    Who the hell would be forcing her exactly?
     
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    No. And neither should someone who has a billion dollars be forced to feed another who is starving. A civilized and moral society that values self determination has an obligation to condemn selfishness while at the same time protecting the right to choose to be selfish.
     
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    Think of it as Texas just exporting its fetal pollution to neighboring states the same way as California does its energy pollution. Can't afford a trip across state lines, then better use some birth control.
     
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    All the obvious vitriol in your feelings to females is choking you.
     
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  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Tell me , if one of the subjects of these ruminations was your own 13 year old daughter who had been statutorily raped would you have the same zeal for coercing her to risk her life to ruin its remainder?
     
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    A zygote may be many things but it is emphatically NOT an individual human being until it can at least theoretically survive on its own. When an organism cannot survive outside of another for even a few instants it is a PART of that organism and the utter absurdity of saying it is anything else should be blindingly obvious even to the unregenerate religious fanatics who push this kind of **** down our throats
     
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    You mean .. "would I murder my grandchild?"
     
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    Scientifically speaking, it is absolutely an individual human being. So I wonder who the unregenerate religious fanatic is in the case, if you don't worship the Father and the Creator of the Universe, then you worship his rebel creation, Satan, and child sacrifice is just one of the ways you express your devotion. Repent, it is so easy, why would you risk eternal torture in the lake of fire? it's always been your choice.
     
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    Rather, would you ruin your own daughter's life for the sake of a spoonful of cells? Never mind, you're answered already.
     
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    A zygote is no more a separate organism than your own hand is not part of your body

    Stop living your life paralyzed by your own childhood fears
     
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    Todd is correct. A group of cells becomes human life the moment they fertilize and join together. A zygote is the early stages of the growing child.

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    What are your thoughts on this discussion?

    Yes it's a new thread but this thread is related to the other thread and has a poll.
     
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    A zygote is a human and you have failed to prove otherwise. To abort a human at any stage of life is murder. I am against abortion aka murder unless the mother's life is at risk.

    This is a new but related thread. Did you see the poll?
     
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