The Big Lie is (unfortunately) winning

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  1. Cybred

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    So?
     
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    Sorry, but the consensus I have seen is that the ONLY way for trump to have lost is that the Dems cheated.

    Like this, such as the fact that he has been running for president for the last 30 years, never making it past the Democrat primaries, until last year, and then, even though Trump got more votes than presidential nominees prior, Biden gets even more, getting, for example, 15 million more votes than Obama did in 2012. Yeah, f---ng righ
     
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    Of course they didn't. If they found in proof that their elections were tampered with their jobs would be in jeopardy you don't ask elected officials if their elections are secure.

    That's like asking a police officer is he's corrupt.
     
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  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, yes, they do!

    Blah, blah, blah, blah - and more blah.

    Moving right along! And you go on Ignore ...
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Why? Because you can't argue is that what you do with everyone you can't argue against?
     
  6. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WE ARE NOT DUMMIES!

    Even beyond the confirmation of Biden's election, voting-fraud can become an "issue" if proven.

    Said "fraud" in the last presidential election from the Rabid-Right is an hallucination on their part. There is simply no proof whatsoever that fraud was committed on a large scale. The voting process was overseen, and no fraud was found by the investigators that should exact a recount.

    So, "Voting Fraud" of the last election is just the Far-Right trying to stir-the-shat, which is all they good for ...

    Yes, yes, I know the inevitable response: Fraud was never found because it was hidden! Yeah, well, you take all the votes (across-the-entire-US) and recount them! See if the number is not the same as when counted-and-recounted for the election!!!

    PS: Hitler was not the first idiot to use the phrase Big-Lie (in German) and you are employing his name for impact only. Nice try, but we are not dummies. (Besides, he was on the deeply far-Right of German political parties that came to dominate Germany in the 1930s!)
     
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  7. LafayetteBis

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    TRUMP'S WOMEN VOTE

    Blah, blah, blah.

    You feel sorry for a multimillionaire who is being attacked legally by women who have started legal procedures for rape? (See here: The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct)

    Excerpt;
    Pathetic excuse that bit in red above. He has a long, long history of having abused women. Though, a few who married him managed to make a small fortune by doing so.

    From here: This is how women voters decided the 2020 election

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    'Nuff said .... ?

    NB: Note from the above that American men voted more for Trump than Biden indicating that - for them - his abusal of women was not as terrible as the women thought.
     
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  8. Cybred

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    Evidently you can't read.
     
  9. LafayetteBis

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    Can't read what? More men voted for Trump than Biden? Far more women voted for Biden than Trump?

    Got that wrong, have I? Can't see how ...
     
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    I have no idea where you got the idea that I feel sorry for trump.
     
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    Equal representation of states, not people, which ensures disproportionate representation of actual people. One of the founders' dumber ideas.

    But they didn't foresee the 2 party system, let alone the mess we're in now. Fox and Trump believers can't even occupy the same reality, let alone the same country.
     
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    once again, There is no “disproportionate representation of actual people. ” since the senate isn’t based off proportional representation. You can’t contribute something to the senate that it is not.
    This is the dumbest power grabbing argument yet.
     
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    Yes, because the US is a federation. Each state still maintain a it's sovereignty.

    The people are represented withing the House.

    This was deliberate, otherwise states would not join. If the Senate is changed or dissolved through any method other than ratification of an Amendment (which will never happen), then that is a valid legal reason for states to secede.
     
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    When you refer to the election being cheated (the Big Lie) you might as well say you saw someone walking down the street with two heads. For those of us grounded in reality the use of the fact free refrain of election fraud (the Big Lie) immediately causes your comments to be regarded as worthless tripe.
     
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    DIMWITS

    Yes, but having states is not a bad idea as long as their scope is best delimited in relation to that of the nation. The nation takes primacy and the states manage their own affairs. This has helped in many ways - the first of which perhaps is that we don't have a great number of State-bread Armies. Just one, managed by the DoD, will do nicely - if and when it cuts its far-too-large budget.

    And why is that DoD-budget far too large. Because a great many politicians get reelected by finding ways for the DoD to spend lots-'n-lots of money in some states (where there is actually no need for the funding).

    But, it seems that Americans have not woken-up to what is happening. The DoD in some of its projects is literally Making-Millionaires with its spending-programs.

    Don't wanna believe that? Then read this: Exclusive: Massive Pentagon agency lost track of hundreds of millions of dollars

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    That should be sufficient reason to fire some dimwits in the DoD who let it happen ...
     
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    Cheating has consequences


    Deal!
     
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    Pomposity is not your strong-point. And who's "grabbing power"? You have a way with words. A very bad way.

    You see when you accuse someone of whatever you must "show definitively how and where". All you have done is pontificate.

    Try harder ... !
     
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    You don’t seem to understand that you want to disenfranchise states, because you don’t understand that the senate was never meant to be based off proportional representation. Instead of embarrassing yourself, maybe you should yourself a favor m, and read the Federalists paper 62.
    “Senate is meant to regulate the power of the House of Representatives by giving equal power to every state in the Senate. This is accomplished by allowing each State two senators with one vote each, which counteracts the fact that the number of representatives per state is based on the size and population of the state. As Madison says, "the government ought to be founded on a mixture of the principles of proportional and equal representation". Due to this, each state has equal power in the Senate, which in turn protects smaller States from being overpowered by larger States. Representatives are elected with the people's interests in mind, while senators are elected with the States' interests in mind.”

    So yea, what you’re advocating is a power grab, based off your apparent lack of knowledge about the functionality of the senate, which is taught to elementary children by the way.:rolleyes:
     
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    And 2/3 of them routinely vote for the very policies that have been screwing this country up for the last twenty years the gutting of the middle class is, in fact the gutting if the petit bourgeoisie. The one group without which you have neither a country nor an economy worthy of the name.
     
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    SOME THOUGHTS ON THE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY

    The founding fathers were having a dispute as to weather its Congress should have representation as a function of population, or the simpler two representatives per state.

    The former of the two was chosen because it was truly democratic in nature, its members having been voted into office in a quantity relevant to the state's population. And since they could not chose one OR the other, they chose both.

    The US is the first country on earth to have established a Democracy. It made some mistakes to begin with (namely the establishment of a Senate). But more importantly creating the Electoral College that allows the loser of the popular-vote to become PotUS. No other free-nation on earth allows such a gross-error in the election of its Head of State..

    That error has allowed the loser of the popular-vote five times in history to become the Head of state. This last time was a great calamity. A totally inept person (quite possibly sick in the head) became PotUS. When the US was hit with the Covid-disease he did nothing. The number of people who died - and need not have died - was in the hundreds of thousands.

    All this because of a voting-system that is archaic and has proven that it can be dangerous as well because of that inherent defect ...
     
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    Equal representation is archaic, got it.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah funny isn't the party that claimed Hillary was cheated for four years is now mad when the shoe is on the other foot
     
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    There are many lies and the one "big lie" is nothing more than a diversion. You are meant to focus on one lie and ignore the long list of lies your party is known for, like:

    Dems care about the environment. poverty, education, and public health. Give them money and power and they will make improvements.
     
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    The history "teacher" needs a history lesson.

    America was not the first country to establish a democracy.

    Eliminating the Senate will completely surrender the sovereignty of the states, and that is a bad thing. But I'm not concerned because it will never happen.
     
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