France Stabbed In Back - Recalls US Ambassador 1st Time In History

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For the first time in the history of the two nations, France recalled its ambassador to the US and it has to do with Australia. A deal valued at $40 or $90 billion (depending on the site), was made by Australia in 2016 with a French company to supply them with a fleet of 12 diesel powered subs. That deal has been scrapped in favor of one with the Americans in its new AUKUS cooperation between Australia, UK and US.

    France is furious! Will it affect Nato? We'll have to wait and see.


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    Australia has for years been planning to build a fleet of 12 diesel-powered submarines in Adelaide via French company Naval Group, with a deal made in 2016 valued at $90billion.

    The French government later on Thursday said Australia's decision to ditch the agreement was 'contrary to the spirit of cooperation which prevailed' between the two countries.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...submarine-plan-Frances-fury-stabbed-back.html

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    EU powerhouse Germany says France being snubbed by Australia in favor of a partnership with the US and the UK is a signal to continental European nations to stand together and boost self-reliance.

    France invoked EU solidarity after Australia cancelled a $40 billion contract for French-made attack submarines in favor of US-made nuclear-powered boats. The deal, which was announced as part of the so-called AUKUS cooperation mechanism also involving Britain, blindsided France.

    German European Affairs Minister Michael Roth called the ongoing row a “wake-up call” for the EU.

    https://www.rt.com/news/535405-germany-france-submarines-australia/

     
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    Hey Joe, print up 40 $bln or so and put it on a cargo plane for France. That should mollify them like when Obama did the same for Iran.
     
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    We Can Only Hope!


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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the money given Iran was its own money that was being held in American and British banks. The Iranians aren't stupid though, that is except for their threats which gain them nothing.

    When Obama or the banks refused to give up the money, they knocked an American boat off course and into Iranian waters. "If you want your men back, you give us our money," so we did.
     
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    The French government sucks. Anything to stick it to them. I have a soft spot for some of the French people themselves, but their government can **** right off.

    Get their embassy off our land.
     
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    Ahh my precious ... the economic war is heating up - as foresworn - This is the new world - one at a X-road - World population continues to explode - hungry mouths to feed - never ending supply of cheap labor to exploit ...to feed the energy hungry first world.

    But in doing so .. industrializing the 6 Billion non industrialized - left to go ...at the previous rate of 600 million over the last 25 years .. the Ocean is finished .. never mind Global warming .. not that it is not also an issue .. but the catastrophic effects of Ocean Pollution we need not wait for ... predict - model .. as they are happening right now - via direct measurement.

    and guess what .. by 2050 the pop is to hit 10 Billion .. increasing the non industrialized by another 1.4 Billion at current industrialization rate.

    Speaking of Global warming though .. the industrialization over the last 25 years has caused Global CO2 emissions to increase from 22 Billion to 36 Billion Ton's/year .. so either way we are toast if we continue .. and there is no signs of abatement ... First world enviro policy is "Not in my back Yard - Dump it the Ocean"

    You see the first world decreased emissions over the last 25 years - all of the increase came from industrialization of China/Asia ..
    The first world continues to transport its pollution problems "Over there" out of sight out of mind..

    "We don't want Hydrocarbons" - Yes you do - US consuming 21 million barrels of the Stuff per day .. Oh .. sorry . we just don't want that pipeline in our back yard .. better we source from Nambia .. celebrate one of Exxon's recent find .. Let them deal with our pollution probems and increase industrialization at the same time.

    This is not as much of a digression as you might think .. This is linked to the economic race that is going on .. and if the world does not deal with this economic fight .. we will toast off the environment.

    We need the very rich to cough up about 100 Trillion over the next 10 years to have a realistic chance.
     
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    It was Iran's money. Already printed.

    Everybody knows this, but for some reason, this old fallacious claim never dies.
     
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    Seems to me if France can build submarines for Kangaroo land, then they can build them for their fellow EU/NATO leeches. I'm all for them kicking us out of NATO....then we don't have to pay for their defense.

    NATO, for all intents and purposes, has outlived its purpose and has now become a threat to peace.
     
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    diesel vs nuke

    and they are attack subs. I'd prefer the one that doesn't need to surface and can run for extended periods of time
     
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    Boo bloody hoo! BUY BRITISH!
     
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    Republicans, is it time to protest French Fries again?
     
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    After Biden called Macron, the French ambassador will be returning to the US next week. Was it a threat, bribe or both?

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    Pleeze!
    We are talking about zee great France.
     
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    Freedom Fries, baby! :clapping:
     
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    Diesel - ELECTRIC !
    How quiet?

    Unless Australia plans a global presence,
    why would they need the Nuc submarine advantage


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    No :flagcanada:
    Nuc Submarines!
     
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    Australians hope the subs will buy them a little more time to learn Mandarin before their transition into the Deep South China Province. ;-)
     
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    That would make too much sense.
     
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    Not If One Understands / comprende !


    Read abovewards
     
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    The AUKUS is to combat China, and I read somewhere that the workers in Australia are furious with the new arrangement because they're not keen on a war with China. So will the deal with the US subs go through or not?
     
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    Macron once again proved to be spineless. Come on leaving NATO wasn't that hard.
     
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    For heavens sake! Go and look at a map of the world. Then figure out how many millions of square miles of ocean there are around Australia.

    After you've done that work out how many times a conventionally powered sub would have to 'snorkel' near the surface to recharge its batteries while doing a round just one trip round the continent. Finally look up the average cruising speeds of diesel vs nuclear powered boats.

    Perhaps then you'll start to see why they went went for nuclear power (and hint - it's not a sudden burning desire for a 'global presence'. It''s concerns are purely regional.)
     
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    Diesel subs, they still make diesel subs?

    A diesel sub is really just a surface boat that can go underwater for small amounts of time. It can't go under ice at all really. It's also slow and noisy. Why did France think Australia should pay 90 blll for a WWII fleet?
     
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    Businesses lose sales frequently. It comes with competition. France doesn't understand the competition that fuels its capitalist economy. They took their ball home an engaged in a hissy fit. It doesn't really become them.
     
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    No.

    Very obviously you're still stuck in the 1950s.

    In the post-WW II Era, Germany was divided into three sectors:

    1) NORTHAG or Northern Army Group commanded by the British
    2) CENTAG or Central Army Group commanded by the US.
    3) SOUTHAG or Southern Army Group commanded by the French.

    President De Gaulle withdrew France from NATO militarily, meaning France is politically involved in NATO only. French law bars French military forces from being commanded by foreign military officers, with exception explained later.

    France withdrew all of its military units from Germany, with the exception of a cavalry squadron at Mainz-Kastel, where there was also a French consulate. I used to shop at the French commissary there to buy escargot.

    All US military units were kicked out of France, and that included nuclear weapons storage and maintenance facilities that were located in France, along with an air base.

    France did enter into a separate treaty called the Triparte Agreement in 1974.

    As you know, the US and Britain pressured Germany into withholding war reparations from the Soviets.

    Instead of starting WW III, the war-like war-mongering Soviets peacefully protested by blockading Berlin. The [other] Allies responded with the Berlin Airlift.

    Since 1948, the Soviets would, from time-to-time, blockade Berlin, usually as a symbolic gesture to express their displeasure with something NATO, Britain, the US or France did (or didn't do.)

    For example, the [other] Allies refused to recognize the DDR as an independent country.

    That is why the US never had an embassy or embassy mission in East Germany. It did, however, have a consulate in West Berlin. The US referred to the DDR as the Eastern Territory based on the foreign policy position of One Germany whose official government was in West Germany.

    The Soviets would annually blockade Berlin on the founding of the DDR and at other time as well.

    To the Triparte Agreement, the French contributed a self-propelled artillery battalion (5th Regiment d'Artillerie), the British contributed 3 battalions (II Queen's Infantry, Royal Scottish Dragoons, III Royal Tank Regiment) and the US ponied up 2/66 Armor, Alpha Company 1/41 Infantry, Alpha Company 1/17 Engineers, and Charlie Troop 2-1 Cavalry.

    They ran three scenarios:

    1) Show of Force
    2) Run the blockade on the autobahn to Berlin
    3) Penetrate the 1K Zone (most like to start WW III)

    That was the only time French forces were allowed to be under foreign command after the withdrawal from NATO. The Triparte Agreement ended when the Wall came down.
     
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    Yes, it was. Low-information voters still can't figure that out.

    For the people who never leave their mom's basement and do nothing but play video games 24/7, yes.

    A few years back, a Chinese diesel sub penetrated the attack sub screen, the destroyer screen and anti-sub helo screen to surface within a short distance of a US carrier.

    The bridge officers on the carrier must have peed their panties.

    See above where the bridge officers on the carrier had to go change their soiled uniforms. Hopefully, they weren't in whites that day.

    The bridge officers on the other ships in the carrier battle group were getting their resumes ready to go find a new job.
     
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    Economically, not militarily.

    Your war with China is about keeping your Standard of Living so you can be live large and consume everything like the Borg.

    There's so much wrong with that it's not even funny.

    Population is a function of Economic Level.

    In the ZERO and 1st Level Economies, birth-rates are high because you need all the labor you can get.

    Yeah, that's right. I'm talking about child labor. If children don't work, then you die. Slowly. Of starvation and malnutrition.

    Don't act all shocked and indignant. Children worked for 1 Million years and we aren't living as troglodytes.

    When you enter into the 2nd Level Economy, things change and the birth-rate starts rapidly declining.

    2nd Level Economies grow at rates of 8% to 15% per fiscal quarter every quarter for a decade or longer.

    Why? Because jobs that never existed, now exist. What's more, those jobs require ever-increasing levels of education.

    You cannot possibly make it to the 3rd or 4th Phase of the 2nd Level Economy and progress into the 3rd Level Economy with people who have a 8th Grade education or less.

    Children stay in school longer. Fewer marry at 14-16 years and start families. Children are waiting until they graduate high school to marry and start families. As young adults, they wait until they complete college or are almost finished with college to marry and start families.

    When birth control was introduced in the US in 1964, it had no impact on birth-rate. Your birth-rate had already dropped by 75%. Not only that, but only wealthy women could afford birth control. It wasn't until the 1970s that Middle Class and Lower Class women could afford it, and by that time your birth-rate was pretty much set.

    Why? Economic advancement alters societal values.

    Your hyper-extended nuclear family disappeared during the run through the 2nd Level Economy, and by the middle of the 3rd Level Economy, the extended nuclear family was history.

    Why? Because there's a shift toward individualism. If you don't have to provide for 14 children, then you've got extra money and time on your hands. You spend that time and money attempting to achieve personal goals and your focus is on you and not on your tribe, clan, community, hyper-extended family or extended family.

    China is attempting to develop sub-Saharan Africa. That will be the end of life as you know it for Americans.

    Your Standard of Living will decrease to that of Russia/Eastern Europe.

    But, here's the thing: That's where your Standard of Living should always have been. All this you have now is an aberration gain through murder and theft.

    The difference between wages in China and sub-Saharan Africa is not so great. Once developed, China will have perpetual trading partners. China will have a place to sell goods and services and buy cheaper goods and services.

    To keep China from developing sub-Saharan Africa, the US created AFRICOM to enable the US to destabilize sub-Saharan States politically, economically and socially to keep them from developing.

    Earth can easily handle 60 Billion people, but your population will peak around 16-17 Billion and then begin declining to end up around 12-14 Billion.

    Yes, 2nd Level Economies do pollute a lot initially. There isn't one in the history of Earth that hasn't, but people eventually demand change, and that change ends up being where the marginal cost of pollution equals the social benefit.
     
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