The Attempt to Establish a Climate Ministry of Truth

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Well, you have no excuse for making THAT claim.

    YOU are the one searching for denier papers, many of which haven't even gotten as far as being reviewed or published.

    I'm the one pointing to the world of scientists who confirm the fundamental elements of climate change.

    You don't have evidence that I had a prior belief of some sort.
     
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    the fact that you don't realize that you are only further discredits you.

    You've done this before and it turned out that you were just saying the names you didn't even understand what they do I'm going to assume that's the case in this discussion as well.
    no it's where you source a few details to weave up some kooky religious narrative.
    but you don't, not really because you only accept science that affirms your narrative.

    Let me guess you either have no idea who the skeptics of the climate catastrophe narrative are, and if you do you completely discredit and disregard what they say.

    And I hit that nail pretty much squarely on the head?
    Most reliable or most popular it seems those two things aren't equal
     
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    Whining about Thunberg is pathetic.

    It's almost as pathetic as whining about Gore.
     
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    Yet your religion puts a bunch of cameras on these types of people.

    Your religion seems to love hypocrites just as much as other religions do.

    This is shaping up to be exactly like any other religion.
     
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    Without much knowledge I might add.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree.
    Posting on this forum are not actual experts. They are called political gadflies.
    Gadflies love to try to sound as experts. They will point fingers at Nasa.

    But I do not worry about Nasa, I worry about gadflies.
     
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    The fact is that you've got NOBODY holding your nonsense conspiracy theories.

    So, claiming that NASA, NOAA and the rest of the world of science should be considered ignorant due to your brilliance is pretty silly, isn't it?

    (Are you thinking that if you keep up this nonsense I might accidentally call you stupid, thus getting whacked by the board overlords?? Sorry. You're brilliant in something.)
     
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    The question is how to identify "gadflies" vs. actual experts.

    I have NEVER claimed to be an expert, but the way.

    However, I will continue to suggest that the world of science, including NASA, NOAA, our universities, and the similar organizations found the world over are speaking with essentially one voice.

    And, ignoring THAT is what is ridiculous.
     
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    No, the press does that.

    I have nothing at all to do with that. Neither do NASA, NOAA or other experts.

    BTW: Don't insult religion like that.
     
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    One of the keys to warming is clouds. I have long bemoaned that those who are true believers do not seem to understand clouds.
    And I know why. I do not blame others who do not understand clouds. But those are the drivers.
     
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    Go Tell It on the mountain brother.
    I agree that's why I didn't do that.

    You're a straw man fallacy is just an indication that you are desperate.
    No this actually has nothing to do with you at all though I'm not surprised that you are a narcissistic enough to think that it does.

    It's more about the people on the fence if I draw all the comparisons in the world to your religion and others maybe more intelligent people will abandon it.

    As far as you go no you're useful. I don't want you banned
     
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    Sorry, but the papers I post have been peer reviewed and published. It's just that I'm not constrained by an obligation to support orthodoxy.
     
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    public liaison is typically part of most religions
    name dropping does not equate to arguments.

    I don't even know versed on the science they publish.
    I don't owe your religion any respect.
     
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    Were you ever under the impression that Climate is not able to change?
     
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    I'm not whining about Greta. I'm delighted by her increasingly evident madness.
     
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    Why do you care about whether some civilian somewhere "understands" clouds?

    Water vapor is one issue of many, according to the IPCC, NASA, NOAA. And, one can't just "understand clouds", one also has to understand all the other forcing factors in order to know how much clouds matter.

    This is the same problem as those who claim all you need to understand is the sun, or all you need to understand is oceans, or whatever.
     
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    I've never read anything she's said.

    So, no comment from me on Greta other than to say that I've never heard of anyone considering her as a climate scientist.

    Plus, the press IS a problem. There is no doubt about that.
     
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    Such as PhD. Curry, PhD. Richard Lindzen, PhD. Soon and hundreds more?
     
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    Dude - I'm an atheist.

    And, YOU were characterizing religions in a deprecating manner.
     
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    She's now on the record attacking other greens. I'm pleased by that.
     
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    As we both are trained pilots, clearly Clouds are vital to understanding weather and that is vital to understanding Climate.
     
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    People on his side of the issue don't seem to bother understanding the argument at all.

    I completely accept the global temperature is rising, it may be rising at a faster rate currently than in recent history. I'll even go as far too say it's possible human activity is contributing to a degree. But I'm called a heretic/denier. And do you know why? It's because I don't absolutely believe this is 100% verified fact. I am not among the faithful. I am Haram in the religion of climate change. Like an agnostic among Christians.

    As I like to say of course the globe is warming up it's been warming up for 25,000 years.
     
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    Hundreds does not scratch the surface.

    Plus, Curry recognizes that Earth is warming. She just favors us working on living with it. She even has pointed out that some of the things that the IPCC wants would be helpful to our society even if climate were no issue.

    And, Soon is NOT a credit to science, having support of corporate oil interests and having had previous work debunked.

    Lindzen is a beneficiary of Peabody Energy - a major coal company.
     
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    that may be so all that means is you don't believe in a god you are a climatist and that is a religion by every standard which we measure religion.

    There are multiple atheist religions. Church of Satan, Scientology,
    So religion should be criticized if it wasn't for criticizing religions we wouldn't have had the Renaissance in your religion wouldn't exist.
     

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