Democrats bill to allow abortion during labor

How do you mean? Having a God-given right doesn't mean someone else won't violate it. We see that happen all the time.

 

Did you know that female ducks can become males in certain circumstances?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you are FOR women having a right to their own bodies and the right to have an abortion.

So you are against banning abortion, you are FOR women having a right to their own bodies and the right to have an abortion.,....then why do you argue against it?

 

Did you know we are not ducks?

 

Cool... so get down to the southern boarder and stop the illegal immigration. Perhaps call your democratic friends so they can help as well...

 

Because it is morally wrong.

 

Some babies are born with massive brain damage and as a consequence are not able to move, walk, talk, or eat. They must be fed through tubes directly in the stomach, for all their usually short lives. Every breath is a struggle. In such cases, "dying of natural causes" is a slow, painful, senseless agony. And yes, I know this from personal experience as well as from the scientific literature.

Morally speaking, euthanasia doesn't appeal to me, not even when it's the wish of the very old or terminally ill. However, the decision to give birth to and take care of a physically and mentally disabled baby must be the woman's choice based on her own moral and practical considerations as well as her doctors' advice. It would be profoundly immoral to deny women the right to choose in such cases. Taking care of a disabled offspring is also profoundly unnatural, by the way.

Where I live, all pregnant women over 35 have to go through special - and rather unpleasant - medical procedures to reduce the risk of seriously disabled babies being born. Abortion is the recommended option if such disabilities exist, regardless of gestational age.

 

So don't have one.

There, your morals are safe


But YOUR "morals" aren't everyone's...

Some think it's immoral to dance or drink ....so do you think you should have to stop dancing and drinking ???

 

I think slavery is immoral too. Is your advice still the same, just don’t own a slave?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So don't have one.

There, your morals are safe


But YOUR "morals" aren't everyone's...

Some think it's immoral to dance or drink ....so do you think you should have to stop dancing and drinking ???

No, a slave is one who had the right to bodily autonomy taken away, (EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women).

It is destroying a right and I am against that.

Slavery wasn't abolished because it was immoral, afterall some thought it WAS moral....

It was abolished because it denied people rights...

It wasn't abolished because YOU thought it was immoral.


What rights do you want a ZEF to have that don't interfere with the rights of the woman it's in and why can't you answer that???? You sure have dodged it enough..

 

Right, and some people think abortion is moral.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So don't have one.

There, your morals are safe


But YOUR "morals" aren't everyone's...

Some think it's immoral to dance or drink ....so do you think you should have to stop dancing and drinking ???




No, a slave is one who had the right to bodily autonomy taken away, (EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women).

It is destroying a right and I am against that.

Slavery wasn't abolished because it was immoral, afterall some thought it WAS moral....

Yes, they do....so?

a slave is one who had the right to bodily autonomy taken away, (EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women).

It is destroying a right and I am against that.

Slavery wasn't abolished because it was immoral.



What rights do you want a ZEF to have that don't interfere with the rights of the woman it's in and why can't you answer that???? You sure have dodged it enough..

 

This discussion is no longer civil. You’re just arguing to hear yourself argue. I’m putting you on ignore.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So don't have one.

There, your morals are safe


But YOUR "morals" aren't everyone's...

Some think it's immoral to dance or drink ....so do you think you should have to stop dancing and drinking ???




No, a slave is one who had the right to bodily autonomy taken away, (EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women).

It is destroying a right and I am against that.

Slavery wasn't abolished because it was immoral, afterall some thought it WAS moral....




Yes, they do....so?

a slave is one who had the right to bodily autonomy taken away, (EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women).

It is destroying a right and I am against that.

Slavery wasn't abolished because it was immoral.



What rights do you want a ZEF to have that don't interfere with the rights of the woman it's in and why can't you answer that???? You sure have dodged it enough..

I stumped another one !

 

You came up with the biological argument. Deal with it.

 

Yeah, I understand. All kinds of things are immoral yet legal, even encouraged at times.

 

You are not contradicting anything Breibart said.

 

we're discussing within the USA

 

True, but I disagree with your position regarding cases described in my post.

Consider this: the most advanced, civilized, pleasant countries to live in are those where women have rights, including the right to bodily autonomy (including the right to have abortions). Oppressive, failed societies, like those that provide high numbers of illegal immigrants, are also places where women don't have rights. Ask yourself which is morally preferable.

 

I understand, Pisa, we live in an imperfect world where we face difficult decisions. Lots of conflicting rights and wrongs. We do the best we can.

 

Sure I am. The lie is right in the Breitfart URL: .../politics/2021/09/24/house-democrats-pass-national-abortion-bill-allowing-gruesome-killings-up-to-and-including-when-a-mother-is-in-labor/

It's both dishonest and using silly emotional language in no way befitting a media outlet. This is why Breitfart is fake news. It's both factually inaccurate and heavily biased.

 

There are more things to consider than just the life in the womb. It's a different situation than someone who is out of the womb and able to survive independently, care provided by a parent or other guardian notwithstanding.

 

Th baby in the womb is a human life, exactly the intended stage of life development created by God. We should not base the value of human life on a stage of development.

 

Breitbart is not fake news, CNN and MSNBC are fake news.

 

Well, first, we don't base our laws on people's personal and religious opinions. Second, again, it's a different situation when said life is in the womb, where it is dependent on the mother's body and can pose health risks due to various complications. This is why it is necessary to have provisions for women to seek abortion under reasonable circumstances. It's unreasonable to place women's health at risk over some absolutist, too often religious notion of the sanctity of fetal life.

100% wrong.