U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

Abortion is a RIGHT!

 

Person = CORPORATION!

Clearly you are having a problem with the CONCEPT of what is regarded as a PERSON under the Law of the Land.

 

No one is hiding anything ...the right to privacy and bodily autonomy ensure the right to abortion. So women have the right to abortion due to the right of privacy and the right of bodily autonomy...THERE has it been explained enough???

YES Women have a right to kill their ZEFs... ...

 

In what way? The standard being discussed is bodily autonomy. Not speed limits. If you don't go out of your way to be ridiculous, you'd see these are not the same. The unfortunate truth is that folks are actually requiring you to abandon your bodily autonomy by making these vaccinations mandatory for 'public safety'..... There are too many examples of how government has used this very argument to become the ultimate tyrants.

 

Is birth any longer relevant?

Doesn't the Texas law make it all about conception, not birth?

Being born means nothing anymore, it's all about the moment one is conceived.

 

The left are already 0-2 on this. The 5th circuit has already abused another suit from the left. The newest version won't fair any better. And when or if the SCOTUS takes this on, again, the Obama DOJ/Solicitor General will lose.

 

The same challenge was already squashed in the 5th. The Xiden DOJ will lose there as well.

 

Not very interesting reply but typical.

 

LOL, sure, if refusing a hearing is "abusing a lawsuit", then it was abused.. Ignored would be a much better word....

They punted the first time... I don't see how they can do that this time, but I never underestimate the power of Republican appointed judges to avoid doing the jobs they were appointed to do...

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/29/texas-abortion-law-5th-circuit-court/

 

The federal courts already determined that in the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. that defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."
So, anyone other than the Mother who kills the child in utero is a murderer but when the Mother does it, it's not murder.

Basically, the law is just as wishy washy on the topic as anyone else.

 

Sometimes facts are boring especially when they have to repeated over and over.

 

Then why do the pro-abortion side keep using the moniker right to privacy instead of right to abortion? Why didn't RvW simply state on one page that the right to abortion exist instead of all the loops it tried to jump through to create this "right to privacy" which I have yet to see what right I as a male gained from it.

It is why RvW has been considered by many legal experts the worst decision on a legal basis the court ever handed down and why it has been contested ever since. It is bad law on it's face.

 

Then why didn't the SCOTUS simply say that the right to ABORTION, the right to kill the unborn child, exist all on it's own. Both the privacy and automony can be shot down because of existing laws that would conflict and the current government is attempting to undermine with some of their policies like the $600 reporting it wants. That would violate my privacy is that not covered in MY right to privacy?

 

It's not mutually exclusive. Yes under federal law there is no distinction between corporation and person since corporations are made up of PERSONS. US Code Article 1 Section 1.

What's your point.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No one is hiding anything ...the right to privacy and bodily autonomy ensure the right to abortion. So women have the right to abortion due to the right of privacy and the right of bodily autonomy...THERE has it been explained enough???

YES Women have a right to kill their ZEFs... ..

Have you ever tried reading a post BEFORE responding?

the right to privacy and bodily autonomy ensure the right to abortion. So women have the right to abortion due to the right of privacy and the right of bodily autonomy.

I have no idea what you mean by ""the current government is attempting to undermine with some of their policies like the $600 reporting it wants. ""

 

So with all the abortion CAN be regulated by law it is NOT a fundamental right based on a bodily automony claim.

False it is a biological/scientific question.

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html

"Recently, Dr. Robert George wrote an article outlining this whole topic in more detail. And if you want to really learn your stuff, pick up his excellent book entitled Embryo (I’m in the middle of reading it right now).

In his words:
“That is, in human reproduction, when sperm joins ovum, these two individual cells cease to be, and their union generates a new and distinct organism. This organism is a whole, though in the beginning developmentally immature, member of the human species. Readers need not take our word for this: They can consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, such as Moore and Persaud’s The Developing Human, Larsen’s Human Embryology, Carlson’s Human Embryology & Developmental Biology, and O’Rahilly and Mueller’s Human Embryology & Teratology.” – Dr. Robert George

“Human embryos, whether they are formed by fertilization (natural or in vitro) or by successful somatic-cell nuclear transfer (SCNT — i.e., cloning), do have the internal resources and active disposition to develop themselves to the mature stage of a human organism, requiring only a suitable environment and nutrition. In fact, scientists distinguish embryos from other cells or clusters of cells precisely by their self-directed, integral functioning — their organismal behavior. Thus, human embryos are what the embryology textbooks say they are, namely, human organisms — living individuals of the human species — at the earliest developmental stage.” – Dr. Robert George
- See more at: http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/....n2q46hNU.dpuf

A New, Distinct Human Organism Comes into Being at Fertilization

It is undisputed that a new, distinct human organism comes into existence during the process of fertilization.[1] Scientific literature states the following:

• “The fusion of sperm and egg membranes initiates the life of a sexually reproducing organism.”[2]

• “The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”[3]

• “Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”[4]

• “The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.”[5]

• “Fertilization – the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism – is the culmination of a multitude of intricately regulated cellular processes.”[6]

The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”[7] Thus, in the context of human life, a new individual human organism is initiated at the union of ovum and sperm. One textbook similarly explains: Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to produce a single cell – a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.[8]

Thus, a new human organism is created before the developing embryo implants in the uterus – i.e., before that time at which some people consider a woman “pregnant.”

[1] See, e.g., Condic, When Does Human Life Begin? A Scientific Perspective (The Westchester Institute for Ethics & the Human Person Oct. 200, http://bdfund.org/wordpress/wpconten...ife_print.pdf; George & Tollefsen, EMBRYO 39 (200.

[2] Marsden et al., Model systems for membrane fusion, CHEM. SOC. REV. 40(3):1572 (Mar. 2011) (emphasis added).

[3] Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010) (emphasis added).

[4] Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012) (emphasis added).

[5] Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012) (emphasis added).

[6] Marcello et al., Fertilization, ADV. EXP. BIOL. 757:321 (2013) (emphasis added).

[7] National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/medlineplus/fertilization (emphasis added).

Oh geez not the fallacious argument. She is biologically dead wrong. Sperm and ovum of haploid cells produced by the male and female. They are not a human life. The human life is created when those haploid cells come together at conception to form the diploid celled human being with a complete set of chromosomes and the human life begins. Biology 101.

 

She agrees with you. That a fetus is a human being is biological fact.

but, whether that fetus achieves the status of 'person', is a philosophical one.

 

From the getgo and person is any human being. You don't become a human being, person, at some arbitrary point those who want to be able to kill that person set.

 

The UVVA stipulates that abortion is EXCLUDED!

 

When our nation was FOUNDED abortion was LEGAL!

The 9th Amendment of the BoR stipulates that UNENUMERATED RIGHTS, such as abortion, are RETAINED by the People.

FURTHERMORE the Supreme Court has DETERMINED that the RIGHT to PRIVACY is one of those UNENUMERATED rights.

FACTS matter!

 

My point is that YOU were WRONG and thanks for CONFIRMING that YOU were wrong that a person is ONLY a human being.

 

Why not me?
I did never deny postnatal depression.

Sure, that exists but has nothing to do with the murder of embryos and the mental hell some women experience after the procedure.

Sorry, bro. Your argument is Whataboutism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

 

And we have..... they stayed Pitman's ruling last night

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-law-banning-abortions-6-023901825.html

Can ANYBODY explain why a court can move this fast on a topic like this, but cannot move quickly on things like punishing Congressional subpoena avoiders or bogus executive privilege claims?? Our court system is the best in the world, and it sucks....

 

Not the same at all - say you refuse on the basis that it might cause an allergy - are you going to face court for that? Will your private medical information be subpoenaed?

 

I see you manage to include a link to whataboutisms but not to the claim women become depressed after abortion

https://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion