43,644 people shot in America thus far this year

At least there are a few of us who try.

 

As I always say, if it's the person (not the gun) that kills then Americans should be the last people on earth to own them.

 

So YES the tool used has an effect.

 

Awesome. Less crooks and gang bangers.

 

"Fine" is subjective.

 

Selective amnesia is common among lefties. In his own words, the assassin incited by American lefties wanted the free healthcare Bernie said he was owed.
“I was there at the ball field when Steven Scalise almost died from a very, very angry violent man who was incited really by rhetoric on the left,” Paul said. “And this hasn’t been reported enough, when he came on the field with a semi-automatic weapon firing probably close to 200 shots at us, shooting five people and almost killing Steve Scalise, he was yelling ‘this is for healthcare!’ He also had a list of conservative legislators, Republicans, in his pocket that he was willing to kill.”

“So what happens is that when Democrats say ‘get up in their face,’ they need to realize that there are a lot of unstable people out there,” Paul continued. “There are people with anger issues, there are people who are prone to violence.”

This is what happens when the likes of Eric Holder, Cory Booker and Maxine Waters preach confrontation, intimidation and getting in the faces of opponents. As someone once said, words have consequences and when you preach that people will die unless something is done, people may die:
https://www.theconstitutionalconser...ck-on-gop-reps-by-a-bernie-bro-was-domestic-t

The great truth that the Socialist apple doesn't fall far from the Fascist tree was reaffirmed by a Bernie Bro on June 14, 2017 ,,, as though it needed reaffirmation.

 

How many of these are suicides?

 

I never said it had no effect- I said it's not a murder weapon until it's in the hands of a murderer.
There has never beena gun go into a bank and do a hold up on it's own. Takes a bad guy to make it work.

Ever see a hammer drive nails by itself?

It's common sense. When there is a car wreck where someone is killed and a driver is drunk, we DO NOT arrest his car- we arrest the driver.
You must think that's backwards.

Anyone ever tell you that when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is Stop Digging/

 

Nope, you guys have always claimed that other things kill as well as guns which is not true.

 

911. Airplanes. 2977 people.

Bombings- the list of bomb attacks (not by military, but car bombs, suicide bombs, etc) that killed 100 or more is not only long, some have a death toll over 2,000.
Truth and facts seem to evade you at every turn. Or- do you evade them?
This isn't a game of whack a mole, we're talking about reality and real lives. Man up and quit trying to play mind games.

 

I'm afraid that you're underestimating the creative abilities of a determined killer.

For example, the deadliest non military mass killing was done not with a so called assault weapon or any other type of firearm but just $1.00 of gasoline.

Apparently, a determined killer wanted to murder his girlfriend but was unable to find a gun to kill just one person. He did manage to kill her without a gun but also killed 86 other innocent people with a very simple and easily made WMD (1)

I think that it is also noteworthy that the deadliest school mass killing was not done with a gun of any type but a simple homemade bomb. (2)

My concern is that if guns become harder to get we'll have an even higher homicide rate as determined killers begin to create even deadlier WMDs using cheap and easily found ingredients for Bio-Chem weapons, Molotov Cocktails, Anthrax, homemade bombs and countless other potential weapons.



(1) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


(2) "The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre"

"Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED

 

Are you side-stepping his statement intentionally?

 

No, I simply refuted it by giving just 2 examples of homemade WMDs that killed more people per incident than any firearm.

Why do you think that there are over 50 countries around the world(*) that have nothing like our 2nd Amendment but still have higher homicide rates than the US?


(*) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

 

And how easily was that accomplished?

 

That's 2.

 

No, you didn't address his statement at all. You side-stepped it.

 

Only one example of someone using something other than a gun to kill a large number of people is necessary to disprove your assertion and I provided 2.

Here's 2 more:

1. "9 dead as van strikes crowd of pedestrians in Toronto"
https://nypost.com/2018/04/23/van-strikes-crowd-of-pedestrians-in-toronto/

2. "Man Accused Of Killing Family With Baseball Bat: ‘I Freed Them’"
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/09/22/groton-murders-orion-krause-baseball-bat-i-freed-them/

EXCERPT "Authorities say a man accused of killing three family members and a caretaker in Massachusetts told officers he “freed them.” Records released Friday by the police say Orion Krause told officers he killed his mother, grandparents and a caretaker with a baseball bat."CONTINUED

You claimed:
"Nope, you guys have always claimed that other things kill as well as guns which is not true."

I've already given 4 examples in which a determined killer used something other than a gun to murder a significant number of people.

If draconian gun control worked, why are there over 50 countries around the world(1) that have nothing like our 2nd Amendment and yet have much higher homicide rates than the US?

If they're not using guns, they're using something to kill each other at a higher rate than the US.


"Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

 

And you need at least 50,000 to even consider re-considering your opinion.... It's hilarious- but sad that the human mind can get that far off the track.

 

@Cybred said:
"Nope, you guys have always claimed that other things kill as well as guns which is not true."

I have given 4 examples of instances in which someone used something other than a gun to kill a significant number of people so, I have, indeed, shown that people use other things to kill people.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

 

NOTHING KILLS aS CONVENIETLY QUICKLY ND FROM DISTaNCE aS GUNS DO.

 

No, the person has the "effect", and uses a tool to carry it out.
You won't find any support or records for inanimate objects killing people on their own initiative.
Until someone picks up a gun, it's a paperweight. Then, and only then- it may be used to do the will of a person.

Take away the gun, the will of the person still exists, the choice of the tools or means to express that will changes.
Take away the person of bad will, even in room filled with guns- and nothing happens.

Open mind, insert common sense. Close. Engage. Function.

 

Except for nerve gasses, bombs, arrows, poisons, and all those things that have killed people since the beginning of time. There has always been a preferred choice, and if it were not available, the next one became the preferred choice.

You be beating a dead horse here. Argument null and void. Guns don't pull their own trigger to harm others- bad people do that. Why don't you demand we eliminate bad people?
You like bad people.... think they be your friends or something?

 

So you don't need a gun to defend yourself, thank you.

 

EXACTLY! You did not address his post at all! You only said that people have been killed by other means!

 

I can assure you that the victims in any of the four examples I provided are just as dead as if they'd been shot by a gun.

Otherwise, I don't understand what you're getting at.