Why Homosexuality Must NOT Be Recriminalized!

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  1. Moonglow

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    I can tell the anti-vaxxers who claim it is their body their choice do not want that freedom to resonate to gay, lesbian and transgendered citizenry or those wanting an abortion.
     
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    Sorry, you and Pittbull don't seem to know too much about homosexuality, because some are getting married to an unsuspecting woman, have kids and then, sooner or later, the bomb explodes! I know 4 such cases. But then, sex is such a powerful force, it is hard to control in any constellation. The many devastating rapes across the globe are a nightmare to behold. We can read about that every day.
    I just remember... recently I saw on the web a Hole, didn't know what it was exactly, asked my son and oh.... had to laugh so hard.
    The glory hole is seen as an erotic oasis in gay subcultures around the world.
     
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    Those are different ball parks and can not be compared to taking responsibility for one's health. Abortion involves actually ending a life and should be well thought through and over. Adoption would be a more humane way of dealing with an unwanted child. Gays, on the other hand, are going strictly for pleasure and some of them don't care whom they will hurt or destroy emotionally.
     
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    Many of those men partnered with women in an effort to quell social or internal pressure to be “normal”. If you want such events to stop you should support ending those societal pressures that cause people to live a lie.

    You should see some of the places heterosexual men find to be erotic oasis in their efforts to escape a unwanted marriage.
     
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    Must be a lonely life to believe relationships are only for sexual pleasure.
     
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    More like a reality check!
    My witnessing the problems of the gay men goes back many decades, when they still had to hide and pretend to be "normal". Every one of those men were either married or going through a divorce, but they had chosen to deceive and betray their wives. Most of them were kind and decent men. Some tried suicide even! So, when I say the gays were after sexual pleasure from another man, then that is true, that's what was urging them to seek other men. Now, that they are out of the closet it is not tragic anymore.

    I'm way to deep into a subject I know very little of! Better bow out with a little tune from yesteryear...

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...5542C6E68E106B02E5095542C6E68E106&FORM=WRVORC
     
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    That unfortunately is what happens when their relationships are made illegal or condemned. People will always try and fit in.

    I know of several monogamous same sex marriages and several open opposite sex marriages.
     
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    So much for that free will thingy people be talking about.
     
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    Gays have higher STD rates in some conditions, straights in others, so that may be close to a wash. Here is an odd, but true, statistic. Children are ten times more likely to be sexually abused by straights than by gays.
     
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    This is either stereotyping or harkening back to the time when homosexuality wasn't as open and men either were "hiding" or desperately trying to force themselves to be heterosexual. Nowadays if a gay man wants to have a child other than through adoption, he negotiates with a woman for such. In essence she either becomes a surrogate, or they agree on joint custody. That is not to say that what you describes doesn't still happen occasionally, but it has almost never been a matter of a homosexual man purposefully deceiving a woman in order to have children.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the glory hole is not a homosexual phenomenon. It is just as likely for there to be a woman on the other side of the hole that one's sticks their d*** into.
     
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    Again, stereotyping. Just as many straight people are going strictly for pleasure and don't care whom they will hurt or destroy emotionally.
     
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    How very true. One of the things to keep in mind was that those men, especially decades back, were not lying to the women per se', save maybe indirectly. They were first lying to themselves, truly believing that engaging in a straight marriage will make them straight, or never having admitted to themselves as to what they were. This is not lying to the woman as you are describing it.
     
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    Being a part of the poly community, I am also aware of many mixed marriages both open and closed. It's amazing how people want to stereotype relationships they don't approve of as being only for pleasure.
     
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    I am not trying to insult anyone I am stating my sincere belief, based on scientific fact.

    From a scientific point of view - parts of the human anatomy were designed to remove food waste from the human digestive system. I do not believe I will ever comprehend how that system became a means by which some humans derive sexual pleasure.

    If two men or two women want to have a relationship I could not care less even if you paid me all of Bill Gate's money - but no one is ever going to force me to say it is natural or normal.
     
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    Thing is, Joe was talking about transgenders, so it his comment had nothing to do with homosexuality or any sexual orientation for that matter.
     
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    From a scientific point of view - parts of the human anatomy were designed to remove liquid waste from the human body. I do not believe I will ever comprehend how that system became a means by which some humans derive sexual pleasure.

    From a scientific point of view - parts of the human anatomy were designed to remove take nourishment into the human body. I do not believe I will ever comprehend how that system became a means by which some humans derive sexual pleasure, or to facilitate communications.

    As long as you recognize the same in all things. You can't force anyone to say that heterosexual is natural or normal, nor a belief in a deity is natural or normal.
     
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    I can say whatever I want is normal or abnormal - if you don't like my belief, tough.

    Humans do all sorts of deviant things - they rape children, they murder each other, etc. etc. etc. Are you going to tell me that is "natural" so we, as a society, have no right to condemn it?
     
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    It should never be criminalized it should just not be promoted.

    You do you. But the goal should always be hedrosexual behaviour
     
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    As noted, that runs both ways. If you don't like others' beliefs, tough. If you try to force the idea, the opposite will be attempted to be forced on you. If you do no more than express your opinion to others, others will merely express their opinion to you .

    Actually, murder and rape or fully natural and normal behaviors. Doesn't make them right or means a person has a right to engage in them. The best test of such is whether or not harm is coming to those other than who consented to the action. Thus two men engaging in sexual activity together should always be allowable, while a person killing another against their will is not. In that same vein, a person wishing to die, should be allowed to enlist the aid of another willing person. However, it will be upon the assisting person to prove the one he aided had actually consented.
     
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    That may be your opinion, but it will never be mine. The effects of homosexuality on the homosexuals I have observed in life, is not, in my opinion. something I would call positive or aspirational.
     
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    Not all homosexual relationships involve anal sex
    Many heterosexual relationships involve anal sex
    Homosexuality is natural as it occurs in nature. No one will force you to say anything but you lying about definitions just makes one look like a fool.
     
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    An anus was not designed by Mother Nature for anything other than evacuating human waste - it is science. Humans do strange things.

    A male dog endeavoring to copulate with a male dog is an aberration, NOT the norm.

    Show me one instance of two males of any species other than human that have lasting emotionally symbiotic supportive relationships - I'll wait.

    Show me one instance of two males of any species adopting and raising the offspring of another of the same species - I'll wait.

    These are not insults - these are genuine challenges to a belief system I find detrimental / destructive to society, and that is all.
     
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    Here is an article for you to ignore
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ame-sex-sexual-behavior-so-common-in-animals/
    I can provide specific examples of lifelong male - male bonding in certain species if you prefer. It is natural

    As for them not being insults, telling people that their relationship — that you have no idea about the inner workings of — is destructive to society, will always be seen as an insult no matter how you try and say it.

    Not all gay men have anal sex, very few lesbians do, many heterosexuals do
     
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    You mean like telling Believers that believing in God is stupid and based on superstition, or that Trump supporters are "domestic terrorists"?

    Human males bond all the time - they go shooting, hunting, play baseball, football - been going on in one form or another for thousands of years. I asked you to show me one instance of two male animals having a lasting emotionally symbiotic supportive relationship.

    Do you know what two male animals are actually thinking? Does the author of your article? Do you believe they make choices based on reason and intellect?
     
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    What study is this and do they take population rate into its context? Or how many gays have kids vs straights? I would be interested to know
     

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