21% Increase in SNAP benes... Did you know about this?

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    I was getting fuel in a semi at the local COOP one day during the Obama years. It was right after 12:00 noon and about 30 junior high and high school kids were in there buying pop and candy bars. I asked the COOP employee what was going on after they all cleared out. He said it had been like that ever since the new menus from the First Lady had been implemented. Basically the kids went from eating the old menu of burgers and milk to a lunch of pop and candy because they either couldn’t stand the new stuff or in many cases they were still hungry if they did eat it.

    It was a fine idea but poorly implemented. At least she tried, but whoever helped her implement it failed at making the menus appealing and/or adequate. Too bad because this country needs to change its diet.
     
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    What in hell? Please explain!

    We don't have 'food stamps' in this country, so this stuff is fascinating to me.
     
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    The Govt's recommendation is to eat plenty of complex carbs, not too much saturated fat, and do plenty of exercise.

    And that's still the winning formula for a long life. Proven via every cultural iteration of that diet which has ever existed.
     
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    You cant buy cigarettes or alcohol with govt aid. But you can use your aid to buy food for others, usually at around 50% value trade for cash. They get food half off (thx to ur govt bennies) and you get 2x expenxive booze and smokes (also thx govt bennies).

    There was a lady a few years ago got caught blowing her entire months food on soda, pouring it out in the parking lot to recycle the cans to get a pack of smokes. She was arrested, thank God.
     
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    In which case they must be making some seriously bad spending choices.
     
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    That's why benefits should never be cash, or anything which can easily be traded for cash.
     
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    bread and grains is what you're supposed to eat most of on the food pyramid, totally wrong

    your body prefers fat, look how much saturated fat your body stores, never seen someone lose 100 lbs and get sicker from eating their own fat, it's the bodies preferred fuel

    there is no essential carbs, not one
     
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    I don't really know how it works. As I understand it, 'food stamps' come on a debit-like card. Yet I still get offers from folks to trade them cash for food purchases. I've never inquired as to how the transaction actually takes place, but clearly it can.
     
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    As long as the fat isn't overcooked, and most of ours today is because people are afraid of food poisening and parasites so they cook their food until a lot of its nutrition is ruined.

    And also, who the hell is eating their own fat???
     
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    yep, that was smart, cause when I was young they had the food stamp books, and people did trade those for cash and drugs

    but you're right, one can still give someone else the card if they trust them
     
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    true, and as long as it's real fat and not that heavily processed seed oil they call heart healthy, which is anything but

    anyone on a diet, you lost 5 lbs of fat, your body used up that fat for energy

    the longest person to ever fast was over a year, lived on his own fat, electrolytes and a vitamin supplement

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri's_fast

    "Angus Barbieri's fast. Scottish man Angus Barbieri (1939 – 7 September 1990) fasted for 382 days, from June 1965 to July 1966."
     
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    Was it really the fault of the menus or was it parents bringing up kids who will only eat junk food?
    I've met children that won't eat any vegetable except potato.
    Hell, I've met a few adults that are the same.
    If parent won't serve healthy food at home and undermine the attempts made in school by giving their kids money to buy candy what hope is there?
     
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    they used to think obesity was genetic, but a lot of it is learned behavior, they eat like they're parents ate

    many parents think that junk food is "healthy", as much of it is marketed that way, such as breakfast cereal

    for example, an apple is not the same as store bought apple juice, that is as bad as sugar soda pop
     
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    ah, using their fat... that makes way more sense XD
     
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    yep, I was just trying to make a point, that we either get our fat from our diet or our stored body fat

    people would frown on eating 40 lbs of fat in 4 months, but losing 40 lbs is basically the same thing
     
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    I agree part of it falls on the parents. But I know a lot of these families and the kids aren’t opposed to vegetables. Most have gardens and eat meat, potatoes and vegetables primarily at home. There isn’t fast food or even restaurants of any kind in most areas here.

    But, yes, if kids aren’t getting good food at the school the parents should be sending kids a healthy lunch. That’s why I’m so opposed to the government feeding all kids. Parents, even ones who have healthy food at home, abdicate responsibility for their kid’s eating habits at school and this is the result. The idea schools must feed kids because there are some who can’t afford food is crazy to me. If a family is so poor they can’t feed their kids they get EBT, SNAP, WIC, etc. help from the government already. If they still can’t feed their own kids child protective services needs to step in because these parents are incapable of raising a kid. It’s a downward spiral with each generation having less responsibility for their kids and less understanding of nutrition. And there is plenty of blame to pass around. It certainly does fall to parents as well as others including government and agribusiness etc.
     
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    Staple foods. Healthy but not fancy. It’s going to be hard to sell 20 pounds of pintos and a bag of unpeeled carrots for cash for booze.
     
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    The two ways is to buy your groceries on their card and you give them the cash, maybe a high percentage (I've had people ask me to let them do it and I told them I had to put mine on my credit card so we were both out of luck ). The other way is that a lot of convenience stores with do it for a hefty cut. I have heard as much as half. Basically they ring you up and put $20 on the EBT and you leave with $10 in cash. Some will also sell non EBT items and ring them up as if they were EBT items. In case you haven't noticed, it is why some convenience stores plaster themselves with a hundred "We Accept EBT" signs. We had a guy locally convicted not long ago of skimming close to $100G off EBT over a 3 year period. Odds are he had been doing it a lot longer.
     
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    Well said. And underpinning the entire thing is the fact that no one is forced to have kids.

    But I agree that schools feeding kids is ridiculous. Have never understood why that's a thing. If you can't put together a healthy lunch for your kids every day, you probably should have bought a goldfish.
     
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    Exactly.

    The most versatile healthy ration for a multicultural society would be something like brown rice, beans, potatoes, bulk fresh produce (whatever is in-season and therefore cheap), cans of low sodium tuna for protein, eggs, milk, butter, wholemeal flour, black tea, and wholemeal sliced bread. If people want meat, sugar, salt, coffee, condiments or any other non-essential, they can buy their own.
     
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    In this country I’m convinced it’s to train society to depend on government as “provider”. Schools are feeding 2/3 of meals to a lot of kids during the school year and 1/3 in many places over the summer as well.

    Anyone who’s worked with young animals knows the best way to their hearts is through their stomach Humans are no different. If you want lifelong fealty from the young of any (mammalian especially) species, setting yourself up as sole or predominant provider of food is the most efficient and effective means.
     
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    LOL. Sounds abusive! Everyone has a RIGHT to steak, ice cream and potato chips.

    What really cracks me up is when people will harass you about having property and how it isn’t fair—blah blah. Then you tell them you have real property because you CHOSE to eat affordable food and spent the savings on property. Then instead of re-examining their priorities they want your property AND to be fed with your income.
     
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    Well that's the point of these various scams. SNAP/food stamps are not cash, they are a loaded card with restricted purchases. So for the recipients who want to turn benefits into cash, they pull various scams like these.
     
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    Back when they were like paper money and I lived in a low income apartment complex I could get 'em at 50 cents for a dollar...do I feel remorse, BIG FAT NOOOO....you do what you have to do in THIS old world, and offer no apologies for it.
     
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    Of course, covid feeds on sodas and candy.
     

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