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If that was the 'way of humanity', we'd still be living in caves.

 

Nope.

 

1) We are quite a contradiction, yes. We're heavily informed by British sensibilities (humour, diet, general mores etc), but we're of convict stock transplanted to a very tough environment - which has worn off some of the sharper corners. We're also influenced by our geographical location - in that we have absorbed quite a lot of the Eastern sensibility of compliance, conformity, deference, etc. Except when it comes to profanity. Australians swear more than any English speakers on the planet. It's part of the vernacular.

2) As for why some working class kids go to private schools - it's usually because their parents are aspirational, and care more about image than results. It's a theme seen in a certain subset of the working and middle classes. For others it will be religious reasons. Catholic and Islamic schools being cases in point. Parents concerned only with results will usually send their kids to public schools, because they provide the framework for excelling. We have many 'selective' public high schools, where entry is strictly via exam. They were established to provide access to accelerated learning for ambitious kids from every socio-economic sector.

 

1) Who forced them to have families they couldn't afford?

2) If your current job isn't cutting it, you have to adapt like the rest of us. Either find a way to earn more, or adjust the way you live to fit your means. How people choose to respond to that particular situation is their own business and concern. None of yours, mine, or Govt's. The majority of know it's on us to live within our means, and so we do - via sheer effort and will. Those who refuse - knowing that it will negatively impact the society they expect to be funded by - should not be attracting your support, ever. Especially if you think of yourself as any kind of socialist.

 

The issue was transmission.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transmission

You have continually repeated the same thing all the while falsely accusing me of not agreeing with the issue of obesity.

 

Yes. I’ve repeatedly provided evidence candy and soda and now pastries are responsible for increased transmission of Covid. Mostly through compromised physiological mechanisms resulting from obesity.

What can’t you accept? That soda and candy and pastries cause obesity? Or that obesity doesn’t influence transmission rates?

 

Obesity may make one more vulnerable to the virus but it does nothing to increase transmission rates.

 

You can't maintain intellectual consistency by demanding people who work pay their own damn bills while being against raising the minimum wage. https://www.americanactionforum.org...verty-wages-at-large-profitable-corporations/

 

No you haven't. !!!

 

It increases transmission rates through many mechanisms including increased exhalation of aerosols by the obese and higher rates of chronic cough. I have posted studies in this thread on aerosol production in the obese and on chronic cough. I have presented a study showing higher viral load in obese infected individuals.

Also, breakthrough infections are more likely in the obese. This increases transmission as well.

I implore you to present evidence that contradicts the peer reviewed studies I’ve presented to support my posts. or you can give us more unsubstantiated opinions. Remember when I first told people on PF obesity increased the odds of infection I got the same response as from you now—denial of science.

You do realize ANYTHING that increases likelihood of infection also increases transmission, right? The more infected individuals the more chances to infect others. I can’t believe you guys think vaccines cut transmission rates by limiting overall infections and decreasing viral shedding but other KNOWN mechanisms of limiting infection and viral load/shedding do not. It’s bizarre but I guess par for the course. I find it sad you guys don’t have access to information that saves lives.

 

Sure have. Studies have been presented on chronic cough, increased aerosol emissions from the obese, and higher viral load in the obese. I have presented evidence from the CDC pastries and soda are a MAJOR cause of obesity in the US.

What have you presented? Unsubstantiated opinions and opinions contradicted by science I’ve provided. Sad.

 

Two people in front of you both have covid one is obese the other not. Prove your chance of contracting it is higher with the obese person, how does that work?

 

Yeah I forgot to ask Trump's medical advice.

 

I’ll repost the information since you guys missed it the first time and add a little.


Obesity increases viral load.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...er-viral-loads-immune-response-linked-obesity

If you are unaware of how viral load affects transmission risk let me know and I’ll supply that evidence.

Not only does obesity lead to more virus for an obese person to shed, obesity exacerbates mechanisms of transmission. One is the increased production of aerosols by the obese.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/8/e2021830118

Another mechanism of transmission more prevalent in obese is coughing.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331334783_Chronic_cough_and_obesity

More coughing has been observed in obese Covid cases even when mild compared to non obese.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211020/even-with-mild-covid-obesity-may-mean-worse-symptoms

Based on above research some in the scientific community have concluded the obese are a significant component of super spreader demographics.
https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/573221-The-3-Factors-That-Make-Someone-a-COVID-19-Superspreader/

Now none of this comes as a surprise to people who think for themselves. It’s well known obesity plays a big part in increased transmission of many diseases—especially influenza. People who understand virology expected this to happen with Covid based on what we already knew about respiratory virus transmission. What would have been surprising would have been if the obese DIDN’T transmit Covid at higher rates than non obese.

Again, I can’t stress enough how important it is to be personally informed about your health. Public health officials and physicians are apparently unwilling to keep you informed.

 

You and Trump sharing medical advice would be the blind leading the blind. Neither of you have any understanding of science or Covid specifically.

 

We all do and have no choice.

 

Los Angeles!

 

At least I keep my soda and candy masked to impede the spread of covid

 

Im not sure an "all or nothing" welfare system would benefit society. Americans are addicted to their cheap Chinese-made products. No one is forced to shop at Walmart.

 

Especially important if that soda and candy has been ingested by you.

 

Food giants have been lobbying long before Biden. They are powerful and very protective over their stead source of income from our taxes. No politician will stand up to them.

 

Especially in states where they are the only major employer.

 

We're not talking about minimum wage.

But since you brought it up, I damn well can be in favor of people paying their own bills and against raising the minimum wage. Jobs are worth what they're worth, and if I have a widget factory, and I make $1/widget, then with these stupid $15/hour laws I need every single employee to be able to make 25-30 widgets per hour just to pay for themselves. If they can't keep up, they're not worth the money. Simple math.

What is it with you people spending so much mental effort (and total stranger's money) on complete losers? And it never stops! The entire platform of the dem party is more and more and more and more and more free sh|t for losers. Now they want to add pre-K, free daycare, free college, cradle to grave free healthcare, and more! Is there ANYTHING you expect people to pay for themselves any more?? I'm sick and tired of it!!

Let me clarify, as I frequently feel the need to do, that I'm talking about able bodied and able minded people who are physically and mentally able to take care of themselves but don't. If you're like me, and stuck in bed unable to feed, clothe, or bathe yourself, you get a pass, and should get some degree of government assistance. But for me, that's a recent development in my life, and I spent 3 decades give or take on the "I pay other people's bills" side of the fence, so far despite having made those social security payments, most years maxing them out, for some 30 years, I'm so far getting squat.

 

Because it IS 'total strangers' money', not theirs.

But just as importantly, they pick these bullsh!t targets for their so-called compassion, because they ARE bullsh!t. Real struggle requires them to get their hands dirty, and to think at a much more detailed level. It demands that they consider root causes, motivations, long term implications, what true caring looks like, etc etc. The bullsh!t also validates their need to believe they can opt out (of personal responsibility) themselves.

 

We pay taxes so our money.