Elon Musk Gets OWNED On Twitter After Attacking Bernie Sanders

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  1. Badaboom

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    He didn't. Tesla was founded by two american. Musk bought Tesla.
     
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    That article doesn't even TRY to be honest - lol!

    Since when did an EV charging station need a federal employee? Or, ANY employee?

    We pay for gas station employees. I've never seen an EV station that had an employee.
     
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    Starlink is a bust from the get go.

     
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    I really despise these hit pieces in the form of videos that are worded to make it hard to bolt down what is being said.

    As for Starlink, let's remember that there are regions of the US that still don't have reasonable speed internet. Now, consider what that means for the entire rest of the world that doesn't have even our own level of internet penetration - which is still not as good as many places in the world.

    Starlink is how the third world gets to enter the modern world of economics, communication, news, etc.

    And, there isn't a ground based method of being able to do that - not even for the underserved regions of the USA.
     
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    It's priced out of reach of the majority of the people who needs it. It would cost less to put optic fiber in the core of powerlines (we're already do this in my province to link up the installation in the great north region). The electrical grid has to be updated and replaced during normal maintenance anyway. Satellite access isn't ideal anyway due to latency issue, more so when you'll have a couple of thousands of people using the same uplink.
     
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    Right now, Starlink costs $99/month.

    There is also a $500 startup cost of the equipment needed.

    Latency: 20-30ms

    There are no data limits. It is faster than 5G.

    I don't know the rules concerning wifi sharing of a Starlink connection. Maybe you and a neighbor could split the cost??

    I own a location that is relatively remote in terms of internet. While that site does have internet access, it's slow and not that much cheaper. For example, watching video across that link is intermittent. So, we're adding a Starlink connection as a beta site.
     
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    I do wonder what the price structure will be for remote regions of other continents.

    If he prices internet out of the range of the possibility to pay, that's not going to serve him or anyone else. So, ??

    Also, it is seriously irritating that he's pumping this many satellites into orbit without any consideration for the damage it does to our ability to study the cosmos. Astronomers around the entire planet are getting hosed.

    That hosing would be justified if it actually does bring the world on-line. But, having one entrepreneur make that decision for the entire world is seriously irritating.
     
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    That latency is in ideal conditions, not when everybody started streaming Netflix at 4k. And 99$ a month is out of reach for quite a lot of people.
    Faster than 5G, again in controlled ideal condition. As for wifi sharing, do you really want to share your wifi with your neighbor's kids who may decide to take hacking as a hobby? And we're talking people living in rural settings where your neighbor maybe hundreds of meter or a kilometer away... No sharing possible then.
     
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    Wait when there's an incident and they start coming down or they breaks into pieces that have to be tracked and can pose danger to more important satellites or space mission.
     
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    I can't answer any of that from personal experience.

    Starlink currently offers speeds between 50 and 150 Mbps. However, Musk announced in February 2021 that speeds will likely reach up to 300 Mbps by the end of the year.

    It takes more than clouds and rain to impact Starlink. It's said it would have to be a serious storm to cause a connection to be intermittent.

    It's lucky for you that you live within the possible range of fiber optics. I hope your area succeeds in getting that kind of infrastructure and that the cost to your home is reasonable.
     
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    In fairness, it was Musk that revolutionized the electric car and allowed his battery technology to be open sourced so others could take it and either use it or improve it. Not many.... actually, not sure I know of a company that has ever done that!
     
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    This has been addressed.

    These satellites are in geostationary orbit, something like 10X the altitude of the ISS and the band of orbiting space garbage. So, it is monumentally unlikely that there will be a collision with any of these Starlink satellites. I've never heard of any concern about hindering other launches, partly because most of what we launch never goes that high and partly because of the gigantic circumference of space at that altitude.

    Plus, anything sent up from the US has an end of life plan. So, when the satellite is no longer useful it will deorbit and burn up long before reaching Earth. This is a worldwide concern, and other nations have end of life plans for their satellites, too, though I don't know that all countries capable of Earth orbit are behaving fully responsibly.
     
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    The province is pretty much all covered by high speed internet in one way or the other. I'm on FTTH fiber myself at 1gigabit for $99Cdn. I live in a sub 2k people small town, more like a glorified village (we've a Mc Donalds and one stop light :) ). But once the electric poles are planted, Bell, Telus, Videotron and other service providers follow and install their cables. Even my brother who's prettymuch living in the wood has cable highspeed internet (300mbps).

    It isn't the cost or distance that makes the USA a bad place when it comes to internet accessibility, it's the way you're governed. Instead of having cooperation between company or gov level, you work purely on a competitive model.
     
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    They may get knocked out of that orbit by accident of malfunction, meaning they may intersect the path of other space asset. The more of them, the more of a probability of this happening. Nothing is perfect and incident happen.

    Again, in that deorbiting phase, many things can go wrong. The more you've the more chance you've too.
     
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    Geostationary orbit (used by Starlink and other communications satellites for everything from phone calls to data) is 22,000 miles high.

    The ISS is flying at 240 miles, or so.

    Most space garbage is closer to 1,000 miles high, spread over an altitude range that does impact the ISS from time to time.
     
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    I agree with the comment on our government.

    Incorporated areas do see internet access more as a utility, but that doesn't extend throughout.

    As for world wide, there are huge regions where your solution is simply not even slightly available, and the cost of land lines would be entirely prohibitive.
     
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    I don't agree with this.

    The size of space at 22,000 miles radius is stupendous. And, the satellites are all there for one reason - to travel at the same speed as Earth's surface - meaning that paths are hugely unlikely to intersect. Plus, they are all tracked and can be moved.

    And, the risks related to deorbiting a communications satellite are also miniscule.

    These are not reasons to block satellite communications.
     
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    LOL, clearly this subject is way over your head. We pay for STATION employee's, well duh! Now try "Our tax dollars are now building the STATION" while you service/work the station LMFAO :)

    Jesus man :roll:
     
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    Nah it will benefit any and all EV manufacturers, the only people it will not benefit will be the taxpayers..

    "Personally, I want the 15 trillion back for financing wars for oil."

    Then you should have voted Drill baby Drill domestic, always....
     
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    Well when you don't need to build your own distribution centers and the tax payers do that helps a lot HUH :)
     
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    The article claimed that there would be an attendant paid by government.

    I have a home in the South Bay of San Francisco. I see numerous facilities for charging cars - they are all over the place.

    I've never seen anything that could be considered a "station" and I've never seen anyone in the vicinity who could be considered an employee with responsibility related to charging cars.

    They amount to a pylon with an electrical cord. They are usually in some parking lot. There is no attendant. Nearby businesses have nothing to do with selling electricity, servicing cars, selling stuff for your car, selling junk food to eat while you drive your car, or anything else remotely like that.

    The claim that an attendant is required is just plain stupid.

    And, the idea that the government would PAY for that is just more lies about electric cars.

    It's not like gas, where the idiot public is operating a nozzle that spews highly flammable liquid - or like OR, where it's illegal to fill your own car with gas, so there are attendants.
     
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    The price of oil is set by the world market. If oil pumped in the US could be sold for more overseas, that's where it would go.

    So, we go to war in order to stabilize the world price of oil.

    To have any real effect on price by increasing volume would require changing the total world supply.

    Of course, before the pipelines to OK got fixed there was a lot of oil trapped in north central US, thus causing oil to be cheaper there. But, that got fixed so oil prices in the region could increase.
     
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    Tesla did have to build its own charging stations.
     
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    Then that lowers the price of natural gas and I make less money off of my wells. . .
     
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    The wars for oil happened under Republican administrations.
     

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