What does Critical Race Theory teach?

OK, Golem, I have now re-read the OP, and now I'm hoping that I'm about to surprise you!

Based on your observations and the implied remedies for the criminal justice system, I propose that henceforth and forever more, everyone, of every race, color, and creed is investigated, arrested, tried, and convicted using exactly (EXACTLY) the same assumptions, methodologies, processes, timetables, etc. ALL persons, regardless of color, MUST obey police commands, and may expect to be taken into custody -- or subdued -- by all means necessary -- no exceptions!

I further propose that every offense is punished by exactly the same sentence, based on the same baseline criteria, and that prison sentences meted out by the courts should entail the full extent of that which is dictated by law (i.e., If you're sentenced to ten years, you SERVE ten years, and nobody gets one single day taken off the full term).

Thus, it makes no difference if you're the Mayor's son, or the street-corner crackhead -- if you break the law, you get arrested, tried, and if convicted during a fair trial, you are punished according to the law -- NO EXCEPTIONS!

We've been WAY too soft on ALL criminals, of ALL colors and types, and that's surely a contributing factor in why there's so much lawlessness just about everywhere in the U. S. today. And if that means we have to spend more billions to build the extra prisons required by my initiative, then SO BE IT. We've already shown that we're perfectly willing to blow hundreds of billions on all kinds of strange, vague programs of dubious benefit -- so let's also pour money on whatever we need to make very damned certain that justice in this country is swift, certain, and universally EFFECTIVE. Are you with me...?

 

The study of history is what defeats the intellectual laziness of CRT. Moynihan identified fissures in Black culture that had their origins in slavery and Jim Crow. That is very far from "systemic racism."

 

OK so you have nothing and can't find anything but you want to keep griping about what you cannot show exists. Typical of you.

 

So? What does CRT teach? Post a reliable link to prove whatever you quote of it.

 

Yup, three fifths of a person, each. So three fifths of "equal protection"? Three fifths of each stipulated right?

Here is the full quote that you didn't post....
"Amendment XIV [1868]
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Slaves were therefore not citizens. So your "equal protections" didn't apply to them. And the Constitution was conceived as a racist document.

 

I have nothing to prove. The burden of proof is you.

 

When the Constitution of the U. S. was written, Negroes were not considered citizens -- free or slave. Your reference is to an amendment adopted in 1868 -- AFTER the all slaves were freed at the end of the Civil War. Moreover, it's worth remembering that when the Constitution was originally written, slavery was in full-force in Britain, France, and the United States.

 

So you brought something up from the history, that has nothing to do with current laws.
What is your goal, real physical shooting war between races?
You hope that people with lighter skin get scared and give you the money without fight?

 

Let's cut the crap! I have no idea why you think he is not capable of talking for himself. But what he referenced a scientific analysis that concluded that there is no evidence that black people commit more crimes. A conclusion that they repeat at least three times within the report, and which I have already quoted.

What HE quoted was the author's hypothesis, which the authors themselves rebutted after analyzing the data.

 

Forum rules state that if YOU have a point to make YOU have to make it. If you are unable to do something that simple, you are wasting everybody's time.

 

Sorry. I'm not surprised at all . Binary thinking is typical on the right-wing. And totally predictable. But I don't feel like wasting my time on it today. Not even to make fun of it. Come back tomorrow and I might take some time to deliver you a real zinger.

 

If any "Black" American citizen feels that he/she has been denied getting a legal ID in this country , they should immediately contact the nearest chapter of a "Black" advocacy-group (the ACLU is always eager to help) and ask for assistance! No CITIZEN of the United States should ever be denied a legal ID, and, in fact, it is often required in order to perform many different functions in this country (receiving welfare benefits comes immediately to mind....)

BUT, it is the responsibility of each citizen (no matter what color he/she is) to make the effort to obtain their own ID by THEMSELVES! It's a part of life -- after all, you wipe your own butt... so, you get your own ID.

And if anyone illegally denies providing a citizen of this country with a valid ID, to which he/she is entitled as a citizen, let that person be charged with a crime, brought to trial, and, if convicted, punished to the maximum extent prescribed by law! There now -- does that deal sufficiently with the issue of "system racism"...?!

 

Wrong!!!!!

Slaves were considered considered citizens and counted as three fifths for purposes like representation in Congress. FREE black men counted exactly like any other person.

 

Quite the opposite. You have unwittingly acknowledged the more recent contribution to the roots of systemic racism.

 

How disappointing.... I have responded in a positive way to your OP, suggested real, focused solutions to the grievances raised in it, and all you can do is turn away without so much as a comment that has anything to do with anything.

This reinforces the impression that many of us on the Right (and much of the 'Middle') have that those in the radical Left are interested only in endless complaint about anything and everything, with little or no regard for making anything better or more fair for everyone.

You can prepare your "zinger", Golem, but I've seen your entertainment for what it is. Like many on the Left, you're a 'one-trick pony', working an America-hating, "white-guilt" agenda for reasons of your own. Cherish them, but keep them for yourself... for you see, like you, "I don't feel like wasting my time on it"....

I've tried to reason with you, and offer remedies to those parts of your argument that DO have merit in some cases -- but you want something else, it seems. You won't get it from me....

 

Not everywhere, and not conclusively until after the Civil War, for there were continuous revisions, challenges, court findings, etc. The 1868 ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment finally settled the issue, especially its birthright-citizenship provision, was the culmination of a long struggle, rather than a newfangled postwar innovation. You may enjoy: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ight-citizenship-was-won-freed-slaves/574498/

 

Slaves were not considered citizens. They could not vote.

 

No, he's talking about freed-slaves, but even they had their right to vote abridged, challenged, and even denied outright in various parts of the country. The whole wearisome thing was finally decided in 1868 as we have already seen, after the Civil War was over.

 

From the left's perspective (or at least mine) the only thing the Right is interested in is fomenting the culture war while blocking any attempts for making anything better or more fair for everyone.
After all, what does the ginned up controversy over teaching kids about the lasting effects of slavery/racism have to do with solving any of the problems we have?

 

You claimed (in #1735) that CRT is not about discrimination. I posted and linked the Kendi quote (#1741) to show your claim was false. I repost it here to refresh your memory.
". . . Ibram X. Kendi, one of CRT’s leading advocates, openly declares: “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”. . . ."

The danger of critical race theory
Opinion by Marc A. Thiessen

 

Nope. Not at all "systemic" (a word without real meaning anyway). Historical certainly, but that's something quite different.

 

That "teaching" (actually indoctrination in disguise) makes solving problems more difficult.

 

Perhaps that's the crux of the disagreement. Your unwillingness to recognize how history plays a role in modern day conditions. Are those conditions improved? Yes. That's not the argument.

Have you read any of BF Skinner's works?

 

Inasmuch as my academic background is history (BA and MA) I think I'll disallow your "unwillingness" remark. Of course history plays a role, just not the simple-minded role set forth by CRT advocates.
Can't say I'm an expert on Skinner, but I'm broadly familiar with his work.