Travis McMichael says in his murder trial that he felt threatened by Ahmaud Arbery

They approached him with a gun. I’m as pro second amendment as anyone but if someone approached me with a gun I’m not so sure I would wait for them to use it either.

 

That still isn't exactly arresting or detaining him.
I would not call that kidnapping.

 

So you think it would be wrong if police did that?

 

If they are preventing his escape and he wants to escape, they are detaining him. That's what the word ****ing means.

 

In other words you are saying they did not have the right to try to slow him down until police were able to arrive to identify him.

Do you believe police should have the right to stop suspicious people and ask for some identification or the person's name, or get a good look at their face?

He ran at one of them even though he should have known he had a less than 1% chance of that strategy working, and more than a 50% chance of getting shot. Most normal people in that situation would not behave that way unless they were guilty.

 

. . . YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have no right to forcefully stop someone or threaten to kill them if they don't stop just to have the police come by to ID them. And, just a remind you, the whole "they just wanted police to ID him" is ENTIRELY something YOU MADE THE **** UP! None of them said that was their motive. NOT. ****ING. ONE.

 

There is no way to know for sure either way.

 

You are the ONLY SOURCE IN EXISTENCE for these claims. NONE of the defendants have said this was their intent. None. Not one. YOU. MADE. IT. THE. ****. UP. And, even if you were right, I've already shown how your attempted defense here is still bull ****.

 

Suppose the father had not retired from the police force. Do you still think he should be guilty in this situation?

 

Yes. Of course.

 

In that states law and as the prosecution is arguing that they had no right to make a citizens arrest that late in the game in anyway. I’m not saying this guy was an innocent bystander but he definitely was not a threat that day. They were unaware of his trespassing that particular day. The judge refused to throw out the charge of unlawful detention because they had no unarguable position on their stop.

 

Police have different authority than civilians.

 

But we can ask the question why should that be.

Why would this not be murder if they were police, but murder if they were not police?


I bet Arbery would have still ran if they had been wearing police uniforms, and might have tried the same thing.

 

I see where you are getting. The first and foremost answer should be that police are identifiable. Any civilian could be the next Ted Bundy for all we know. Secondly the training. Some things are better left to the trained police. I personally wouldn’t go and detain someone who “I thought” did something a week prior. I doubt you would either. I would call the police maybe. And if I seen it happening at that very second I likely would intervene. But definitely not the way these 3 did.

 

But that's not really true.

 

The father was a trained former police officer.

But police probably would force that person to stop.
I would be curious what they would do if that person said they did not have identification.
Police very likely would tackle and detain the person if they immediately ran.

 

At first they just wanted to talk to him.
He refused so they began following him from a small distance, wanting to call police to stop and talk with him.
Then he began running away, so they gave chase.

 

I would argue that they had not yet begun initiating a citizen's arrest, therefore that argument is not really valid.

 

There is no evidence of them being involved in crime, except Rosenbaum, but was not trying to do any kind of citizens arrest.

 

It would be for me. I know they at least have a code to live by. I can put down my guard a little more to a cop rather than some no named armed guy trying to detain me.

 

How do you know if someone is a police officer who is following the law?

I'm not even going to waste the energy arguing. This specific subject has been discussed in other threads.

 

I don’t think we will agree on this one. Even if it had not begun they initiated the threat. Would it really be necessary to set up an armed road block with a 3 to 1 odds in your favor?

 

The question is what type of threat.
I think they wanted to slow him down so the police could arrive.

 

I’m not asking to waste any energy. You brought up the scenario not me. But I’m more than willing to discuss it. I like your views most all the time so don’t think I’m being conflictive I just disagree is all.