Black People Need a Safe State in America—Let’s Make It Georgia

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Social "harmony" profits from variety. Societies terribly concerned about conformity become stultified and hidebound in short order. Variety is the spice of life indeed.
     
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    Nah, if we go that route, I prefer to make Oregon black.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    How have we gone "downhill" recently? Our last major national development was becoming the clear victor in what had been the most prominent two major conflicts of ideologies in modern times.

    We're a strange people. Every time we have a major victory we don't celebrate but enter a period of soul searching in which we bemoan how our latest vanquished foe had the right idea and why weren't we more like them?
     
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    ay for non diversity.
     
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    That's not what makes China successful. Not that they're totally lacking in diversity, either.
     
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    Well you are decidedly in the minority. Only 1 in 6 expects better times over the next four decades.

    https://phys.org/news/2014-01-gloomy-americans-downhill.html
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Subsaharan Africa is not...
     
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    But always remember all of them were ruled by white folks for eighty years more in some places.
     
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    Sure and a great example with South Africa, it was a prosperous place at the time but as soon as they expelled the Whites by genocide and other means it reverted back to famine.

    Are you meaning to say that it should convert to a better Land once the whites are gone? Or there are plenty of places where that has been true for ages and ages.
     
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    I thought he meant that once the land has been contaminated by the touch of whites, it may never recover.
     
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    And this is the reason a "black state" will never happen. Nobody wants to move to cede their area to someone else and not all blacks want to live in a "black state". The chaos of a transition will fuel racism from all sides and it will fail.
     
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    We sure got a lot of "social harmony" today.
     
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    That would be Zimbabwe. And the primary problem in Africa was the attempt to move straight to socialism without having a 150 years of capitalism to pad the inevitable collapse.
     
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    Yep just like in DC where no new ideas are allowed to rear their ugly heads on pain of nearly infinite legal and political harassment just for suggesting that something else that doesn't have a forty year track record of failure might work better.
     
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    Amazingly- the problems here have a lot less to do with color than conduct and culture. The people who benefit from promoting racism work hard to make it all about race- but it's not.
    Can a black person be safe in America? NO.
    Would giving them an all-black state change that? NO.
    What is the greatest threat? That some white person will murder him? NO. It's that some BLACK person will murder him.

    In 2018, 2925 black people were murdered in America. 234 of them were killed by white people.... 2600 were killed by other black people.

    Blacks constitute 13% of the American population. How is it that 13% of a population are responsible for 89% of their own murders?

    We have many fine and accomplished black citizens- but we have a dominant culture in the black community that makes them their own worst enemy, by far.
    When, and if, the black community decides to address the things that shape the character of it's children and families and it's character, that will shift- but nothing we do for them from the outside is going to have significant impact. In fact, I believe that the concept of buying the responsibility for bad attitudes of anyone, regardless of color- tends to relieve them of the responsibility for themselves, AND the power to change themselves. That insures they will be stuck right where they are. ONLY the black community can change that. We should stop trying to do that for them, and just be sure we do not stand in their way.

    Today- black people are not "fighting racism", they are resurrecting it in the hopes it will satisfy their resentment of not having what they see others have. It's only going to make things worse for everyone.
    I refuse to accommodate that.
     
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    Like to add something to that last line. I don't believe imposing diversity brings strength, just the opposite. I believe that blocking diversity does the same thing. I believe that recognizing and building on meritocracy, regardless of color, does build strength. I tend to think you also recognize that.
     
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    Meritocracy tends to be diverse, because there are talented people in all races. When a society is built upon the idea that only one race needs to prevail, that's when things go wrong. Look at WW2.
     
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    As I've said al along, the burglar bars on Black homes are there to keep out the white burglars.
     
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    I agree- but the point is that this is something you allow, not something you force either way to meet a statistical objective.
    The discrimination by race in America today is quite insignificant in fact compared to the way it is portrayed by those promoting racism.
    I firmly believe that doing so is going to do a lot more damage than good, and it will hurt everybody.
     
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    I'm not arguing that variety isn't nice, I'm arguing that it can't sustain a harmonious and stable society.

    The reason we in the First World West are experiencing high levels of social disharmony, is because generations of stability led us (like children) to believe it was something we didn't have to work for.
     
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    Racial diversity isn't the problem.
     
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    Which leads to the obvious question. If it's so flamingly obvious that there's a very negative impact of 'buying the responsibility' that a halfwit can see it, why would the self-declared smart, educated, and sophisticated political party pursue such a model? ESPECIALLY when they're the same group who claim to care most deeply.

    There's only one answer to the question, and it's an abiding miracle that so many of their acolytes are able to ignore it.
     
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    There is no good answer- only evasion and pretense.
    If you watch a couple of hours of television this evening and count the times where the words free, entitled, you deserve or anything that promotes the idea that things you haven't earned are owed to you, there would be a hundred or more. Count the times that imply that your future depends on you- and you have zero. Politicians buy votes with false promises; businesses buy customers with the illusion of entitlement.
    We are literally promoting weakness and dependency of our own society, with our politicians leading the way. Much of this is trading on short-term thinking, like tomorrow and the bill for this foolishness will never come due. There are smart people doing much of this- but no moral people.
     
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    Bigotry is easy. You don't have to work at all to solve your problems when the solution is to simply get rid of everyone that isn't part of your immediate ethnicity. Additionally, it tells everyone of the favored race that they are god's gift to the world, while everyone else is a crawling subhuman even though these subhumans are quite often, bigger, stronger, smarter, and even NICER than most all of the favored ones or anyone else.
     
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