Buttigieg Says Americans Should Buy Electric Cars So They ‘Never Have To Worry About Gas Prices Agai

The horse (as a general mode of transportation) was replaced by the free market. Not by government action or a Dept. of Transportation that was created in 1966.

 

So what does Buttigieg suggest about the ridiculous high price and the ever rising cost natural gas to heat homes?

My problem is that while the Keystone Pipeline was abandoned, drilling on certain federal lands prohibited along with the rising price of a gallon of gas. It's a shame when this country could be energy self-sufficient that we have to rely more and more on middle eastern oil. Which by the way, enhances our chances of getting into another war over there along with paying whatever price OPEC want for their oil.

 

Need to use nuclear power to produce and abundance of hydrogen.

Least impactful. Very little reliance on oil. Smallest effort to upgrade existing gasoline stations to hydrogen stations.

Not sure why this is never and option.

 

That's the best response you got? Explain why the government using EVERYONE's taxpayer dollars build all these charging stations instead of the companies that will be selling the electricity and the people using them? Did the government build all the gas stations for automobiles when we were transitioning for horse and buggies to automobiles?

 

The "If you don't like it, move" is the main strategy for liberals and locusts!

 

What it really means is people should buy electric cars to hurt the petrochemical industry because they support the opposition.

They don't give a crap about you paying at the pump if they did they would adopt a energy policy like Trump had. They care about hurting the petrochemical industry that's why they completely hijacked the conservationists to movement so they could use it as a bludgeoned against the petrochemical industry.

 

Meanwhile every single one of them is a NIMBY.

 

There are too many deer in many places anyway. Many say there are too many people as well. What’s the problem? JK

 

My guess would be that hydrogen is dangerous. Gasoline liquid is not even combustible only the vapors are. Hydrogen is far more volatile and selling a whole bunch of hydrogen gas to anybody that wants it is probably not a good idea.

And let's also not forget how many car collisions happen if a fuel tank is punctured fuel leaks out maybe it catches on fire and combusts. That's the most dangerous it's ever going to be. Hydrogen gas is explosive and it would be stored in a pressurized tank which is also explosive.

I think the only way to ever have hydrogen powered vehicles is to make the vehicle produce its own hydrogen that way we don't worry about storing it driving around with storage tanks full of it

 

Dumbass teenagers zipping around in 150 mile per hour hydrogen bombs? No thanks....

 

The government has to build this garbage because nobody wants it. Well yes electric cars have been growing in popularity lately they still represent less than 1% of all registered vehicles in the US. Much less than 1%.

The only value they have is that they are scarce.

Imagine if 10% of cars were electric and you drove an electric car. Related to a gas station I've been at a gas station where I'd wait behind six cars it takes five or six minutes to fill up a car with gasoline so it's never really that long. Now imagine waiting behind six cars that take 30 minutes to charge up at the best possible situation it's going to make it sure that would have taken 15-20 minutes take four or five hours and the popularity of these things will drop off once that reality becomes realized.

These things are not the future they are the past.

 

How so? and don't bring up the Hindenburg as it wasn't the hydrogen that caught fire initially.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Idiot teenagers that like to street race. Only now instead of a fuel tank to rupture, the vehicle will have an explosive, compressed tank of hydrogen. Again, no thanks...

 

Hydrogen is not overly explosive

 

Take 2 seconds to use Google.

"Hydrogen is not explosive in its pure form, however, in the air at concentrations between 4% hydrogen and 75%, it forms a highly explosive mix, and this can be triggered by heat, sparks, or even sunlight! If chlorine is present, then hydrogen is explosive in the air in a mix of between 5% and 95%"

As soon as that tank ruptures and gets some oxygen....boom.

Hydrogen is the main component in rocket fuel for Christ's sake. But no, it's not explosive....

 

Tanks have already been built that could far withstand any of the forces created in a wreck and no they are hydrogen bomb which are atomic.

Q. Are hydrogen tanks fire and collision safe?

There has never been a FCEV accident caused by hydrogen leakage. Hydrogen atoms are 14 times lighter than air so they are dispersed very quickly, which is why hydrogen does not catch fire even if it leaks from a tank. “A hydrogen fire does not happen even if a hydrogen tank catches fire. The hydrogen storage tanks, supply system, and Fuel Cell stack are equipped with a hydrogen leak detection sensor which helps prevents fire. When a hydrogen leak is detected while the FCEV is in operation, the system sends a warning message to the information cluster or automatically shuts off the hydrogen supply to ensure safety.” Hydrogen tanks require ‘High Strength’ to prevent rupture and ‘High Stiffness’ for durability. Strength is defined as the level of resistance to an influence of an external force. Stiffness is the level of resistance maintaining its original shape. The carbon fiber materials used in making hydrogen fuel tanks is as light as a plastic but has six and four times the strength and stiffness of steel, respectively. “When a bullet penetrates a hydrogen tank, it does not explode. Instead, hydrogen leaks out through the bullet hole. In a standard collision test, not even a tiny amount of hydrogen was detected because none had leaked out. Even when NEXO is on fire, a number of safety devices prevent hydrogen from catching fire. Similarly, a hydrogen tank explosion is prevented by quickly releasing hydrogen from the tanks. NEXO was able to receive the EURO NCAP top safety rating because the tests proved its exceptional safety.” According to the Ministry of Land, ？Infrastructure and Transport’s requirements a high pressure tank for automobile application’ has to meet 14 safety requirements including rupture, flame, and bullet penetration. The tanks are also subjected to front and rear collision tests, and extreme temperature (hot and cold) tests. Aiming for the mass production of NEXO, HMG doubled the number of test criteria for a hydrogen tank to ensure compliance with the safety standards of key markets. Approximately 200 different tests were conducted to ensure hydrogen tanks meet the strict safety and durability standards set internally......

https://news.hyundaimotorgroup.com/Article/Hydrogen-Tank-Safety-Proven

 

I'm sure there are studies that say the same about electric vehicle batteries. I guess that's why they had to use 32,000 gallons of water to put out the latest electric vehicle fire...

 

Why would you even attempt to compare the two? Did you not read the cite? Go to YouTube and search it yourself.

 

Good. We'll keep the chlorine tanks extra secure then.

 

In order to have enough fuel to our car for a long enough time you would have to have a pressurized tank on board. Have you ever seen what happens to pressurized vessel when it is punctured have you ever seen a car accident where a gas tank is punctured. Around in vehicles with missiles on them and they depressurizing tank will go right through the car.

There is also the problem of what material are you going to make the tank out of you cannot make it out of steel because hydrogen and steel do not mix. You can't make a line to steal tank the only thing you could possibly get away with is a nickel cladded steel tank and whatever the car costs multiply it by sex and that's how much it's going to cost to get an appropriate container for pressurized hydrogen or you make tomatoes steel and the thermocycling between when the tank is drained and when it's filled will be enough to initiate hydrogen cracking and once in awhile every car is sitting and your driveway will spring a leak and just explode.

We also have the thermocycling WHERE an aluminum tank would certainly be strong enough at ambient temperature to contain the pressure and as you running the vehicle that tendency pressurizing so the outside of the tank will be Sub-Zero and it will become extraordinarily brittle so the tiniest Rock kicked up by the tires good fracture it and turn it into a missile

Short of the $180,000 nickel cladded tank the only other options will be in the millions.

And we haven't even started talking about the stations where you get it. If we built this station in the Everglades and 5% of cars ran on hydrogen the process of filling up these cars would ice over the fuel station pretty quickly. And then there is a care with attaching transfer leads you couldn't have a spark that would have to be a tight seal so you need to have to hire professionals to do it or train people to do it professionally. And that's not even considered the billions of dollars that would take to build the tanks to hold the reserve hydrogen fuel under the ground per station.

There are factors of this that people would never consider that will make it next to impossible to power cars on hydrogen.

So it really has nothing to do with landenberg you don't even have to paint the cars with thermite in order for them to be dangerous

Now there are ways to create hydrogen within the frame of the vehicle and if we were ever to have a hydrogen powered cars that would be the way you go. I think hydrogen fuel cell is dead in the water at the moment.

 

Hydrogen fuel tankers running around all over the place would also make a lovely target for terrorists...

 

"So why haven’t hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) taken off in the same way as BEVs, considering their convenience? June 2019 could be the month that scrawled the writing on the wall. No sooner had a chemical plant producing hyrdogen in Santa Clara exploded, leaving FCV users in California short of fuel, but just a few days later a refuelling station in Sandvika, Norway also went up in flames. This really brought home the truth that hydrogen can be a dangerously explosive gas – as if we didn’t know it already. I haven’t heard of any cases of the cars themselves detonating, and the fuel tanks are now Kevlar-lined to protect against this explosive possibility. But it was hardly a confidence-inspiring series of events."

Why Hydrogen Will Never Be The Future Of Electric Cars (forbes.com)

"With a hydrogen fuel cell, however, you first have to convert the electricity to hydrogen via electrolysis, which is only 75% efficient. Then the gas has to be compressed, chilled and transported, which loses another 10%. The fuel cell process of converting hydrogen back to electricity is only 60% efficient, after which you have the same 5% loss from driving the vehicle motor as for a BEV. The grand total is a 62% loss – more than three times as much. Or, to put it another way, for every kW of electricity supply, you get 800W for a BEV, but only 380W for an FCV – less than half as much. That’s a huge inefficiency if you’re hoping for a greener future, and doesn’t even take into account the fact that 95% of hydrogen is currently generated from fossil fuel sources."

 

I wouldn't even consider its combustibility before the logistics. Compressed gases are dangerous hydrogen you can't be compressed in just any container. And Then There are a connections to take it from the station and put it in the car. Have you seen people smoking cigarettes while filling up their gas tanks. Are people going to remember to discharge their own static before they connect their car or will this have to be a professional job and even with professionals how many explosions are there going to be.

Hydrogen is not a largely in our liquid like gasoline or you can just store in about any container and as the container empties it doesn't change that thermodynamics.

And then there's a handful of them notes how efficiently can a vehicle run on hydrogen? How much would it need are people willing to do the gas station more times and pay the professionals to fill up their vehicle? They will be at how much higher risk so they will cost more than a gas station attendant.

If you stop and consider all the logistics making cars powered by hydrogen would be a logistical nightmare.

 

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