Prosecutors charge parents of Michigan school shooting suspect

It can go beyond guns. What about a minor out past curfew or allowed to run the streets shooting someone, car jacking. Committing crimes? Bad parenting is a reason for most juvenile crimes....

 

Nice

"He's a piece of expletive"

"Jennifer was a monster"

I assume the ex will NOT be on the character witness list...

 

Link?

Who would they charge and what would that charge be?

I suspect policies will be changed and a mistake was probably made (in hindsight), but I cannot see criminal charges for anybody working at the school over this.

 

I am not exactly sure what the shooter was drawing that alerted the school, but it must have been bad if they were recommending counseling and removal.

Hind sight is 20/20, but with the threat of these things happening always present, seems they had all the pieces and just failed to act.

Of course they did not know, but the school should have been trained to act as if this kid was a threat. Saying "bomb" in an airport comes to mind.

 

But they didn't... we'll never know, of course, but if the school had known that 4 days prior, the kid had bought a handgun with his dad as his XMAS present, that might have changed the equation... or at least expanded the discussion during the school meeting.

But who DID have all the pieces?? The people charged...

 

Probably because of this:

Michigan school officials had legal grounds to search shooting suspect's backpack and locker but did not, prosecutor says - CNN

 

The safe bet is to always assume someone has access to a gun and/or will make good on their threats. This is the same reason they evacuate for bomb threats, why take the chance?

As bad as these parents are, of the two parties, only one is expected to be trained to react appropriately to the threat of a potential active shooter.

I am not saying the parents should be let go (I believe there may be a lot we don't yet know), but the school administration completely failed at their job - or so it seems with what we know now.

 

The "case" against the parents seems to be falling apart.
There is always a lot of Fake News after a school shooting.

 

I have said the same about death threats, the system has gotten so weak on these, people no do it all the time and no one is punished

 

So again, what's the criminal charge and against who?

Hey, I have no issue if the school or school officials suffer some sort of consequence here... there's certainly plenty of blame to go around.

As long as the order of severity of charges are clearly understood

1. Shooter
GAP
2. Parents
MONUMENTAL GAP
3. School

 

I'm not saying what charge it will be, however, there are numerous they could use. I'm just saying where it stems from. And yes, I would stack the severity as you listed.

 

Absolutely... so now all you have to show is that anybody in the school administration knew he had such easy access to what was, or was going to be in a month, his gun... or any gun....

What the school had was disturbing picture drawing and a google search.... and they contacted the people who could have completely connected those dots and they ignored it...

 

Seems like you suggest the school administration should keep tabs on all their students social media and what not in order to know the kid was at a fire range with a brand new weapon given just some days before the shooting. And I don't think it should be the roll of a school to do that at all. That kind of investigating belongs to the police.

 

Not since New Jersey v. T.L.O. (1985)

 

JFC, I'm not suggesting that at all, but it seems some are thinking the school needed to be either Big Brother or Nostradamus here..

The question seems to be: should the school have done more, including calling the police. The local sheriff, incidentally, says yes, and I'm 100% fine if that's the new procedure nationwide..... However if that's the case, they're also going to be investigating a bunch of bored doodlers and googlers... but if it catches one mass shooter, that's probably a decent trade off..

 

The administration never had any reason to believe he didn't have a gun/access to a gun, especially after the kid told the school he and his parents were into shooting sports the day before. They knew at that point at the very least, there were guns in the home.

I believe that all many are saying is that if certain criteria are met, like threatening drawings and comments, the school should automatically escalate things to the proper authorities. Relying on the parents to connect the dots is just stupid, they almost always are going to be to biased to be objective.

 

I agree, mandatory reporting should be done

and not just drawing a gun, but a drawing like that one, sure should be

 

I hadn't seen that report until just now... I don't think one necessarily 100% leads to the other, but it's enough to have added to the possibility there was going to be a problem with this kid.

At that point, the Monday meeting should have determined whether there were guns in the home and whether this kid had easy access to them...

Relying on parents to connect the dots is NOT stupid... unless you are dealing with stupid parents. Nobody wanted their opinions, biased or otherwise... just simple facts, like perhaps known access to guns...

 

The NRA doesn't get involved in litigation anymore. You're thinking NAGR or FPC and if you want what you want you'd better hope they don't get involved.

 

No its not. Its not a strict liability issue IE something happened therefore you are at fault. You're not required to assume your child is going to steal from you.
These charges are unlikely to stick.

 

Because they're making a political statement about things that have nothing to do with treating disease and they need to stay in their lane.

 

Searching for ammo online isn't weird.

Writing a letter that says "the thoughts won't stop. Help me." is a warning sign. That was found day of at the school and no one checked the book bag or searched the kid despite calling and having a parent teacher conference that day just before the shooting. You want to talk about negligence? Finding that letter and not searching the kid is negligence.

 

Steal?? Who mentioned anything about stealing anything?? This gun was bought FOR the teen as an early Christmas present.

That is PER the mother, BTW....

 

Nobody said searching for ammo online is weird, or even all that disturbing, as a stand alone act... The mother's text in response to that?? Yeah, I find that a bit weird....

And the kid had a semi-rational explanation for the drawing... enough to convince adults (plus his parents) he wasn't 2 hours away from going off...

The school had no real cause to search the backpack without the knowledge of ready and easy access to a recently purchase weapon.... and yet, I still wish they had (assuming the gun was even in there to begin with)...

 

But it has everything to do with their specialty. They are the ones who have to treat the children who have been damaged by guns. You would not object if they were advocating child restraints in cars or fences around swimming pools