Prosecutors charge parents of Michigan school shooting suspect

Is it? That one snippet could be about ANYTHING from shaving his head through white supremacy to masturbation

 

the teen was screaming for help with that drawling, basically telling people what he was thinking, it was a cry for help, no one listened

 

Which are the 3 requirements to join Patriot Front....

 

And kept in the parent's custody as it was their firearm in title and his to use with permission at the range only. This is a bog standard common arrangement.

Taking it without permission amounts to theft. He was not given permission ergo, theft.

 

He had 2 chances, that we know of, to "get help" with documented school interventions.... Both times, he came up with stories to explain his actions instead of accepting that help.....

They listened, his parents didn't...

 

And what was this explanation that was semi-rational? This is the first I'm hearing of that.

That letter is probable cause from a kid with the issues already noted by the school, whether or not you know his parents are gun owners.

 

You have any documentation for this, or just making it up as you go??... I have my strong suspicion....

Great... they can throw theft in on his charges.... Changes nothing else...

 

Their specialty involves treating disease and injury, not 1) structuring the positive law in accordance with constitutional principles; 2) ordering people's day to day lives.
I would indeed object if they were pushing for either of those things as a matter of law, and do.

I'm not putting a fence around the pool, and I know a guy whose daughter walked in to the pool and died. Certainly I would not brook a legal duty to put a fence around the pool.

 

He's going to be a big time video game designer, dontcha know.... Gotta storyboard....

 

He's talking about bad thoughts that won't stop and offers a firearm drawing... Are you unaware of this 'snippet' as you say?

 

Any person who bought that is mentally deficient and should be adjudicated as such, if they say they were not criminally negligent.

 

Well, that's just bullshit.... have a nice day...

 

It has nothing to do with medicine. They can advocate for anything they want, does not mean they are experts in that field.

 

if they listened, they would not of put him back in the classroom, and the parents would of tried to get him help

I get it though, schools fear being sued if they are wrong (or if they can't prove without action they would have been right)

 

Seriously. Anyone who bought that excuse is lacking the required amount of brain cells to rub together to constitute a person able to remain at their liberty.

 

My point is I don't think he was screaming "for help".... in the least.... Society might claim after the fact it was obvious he was, but he had no intention of desiring help, because he had ample chances to get that ball rolling but instead told the adults what they wanted to hear to be able to get back to his gun.

 

Exactly.
A Cold-Blooded, Premeditated, Killer..

^Which is exactly WHY:

Any attempt to equate this incident (even tangentially) with Waukesha or the School Shooting in Texas is beyond misguided.

 

Call the police for what? The kid didn't do a crime before he commited a massacre. The responsibility is at the kid and the parents, and they were all notified. If any, the punishment for giving your kid who is know to be mental, a gun and or just leave it loitering around, should be punished into poverty and decades behind bars. They got lists for sex offenders, you know. Have to go door to door. But people who aid in massacres, meh. It should be apparent that gun laws really are not considered to it's potential innocent victims.

 

Fake News. Bill The Zipper fired her for promoting teaching children how to masturbate in school.

Her solution to "gun violence"? "Safer Bullets".

"We really need to get over this love affair with the fetus..."
`Joycelyn Elders

She was big on masturbation:

"We know that more than seventy to eighty percent of women masturbate, and ninety percent of men masturbate, and the rest lie."
~ Joycelyn Elders

She really was a big proponent of masturbation:

"Masturbation never got anybody pregnant, does not make anybody go crazy, and what we're about is preventing HIV in our bright young people."
`Joycelyn Elders

She liked Eric [sic] "Clapner" a bit more than she even liked masturbation:

"I've heard Eric Clapner, ... I think it was a wonderful thing that Eric Clapner the musician did...So I think that's the wonderful part about it, but listen - I like Eric Clapner!"
`Joycelyn Elders

I think Clinton fired her because she was embarrassing.

She was certainly entertaining, much more fun than Fauci.

 

I call Bull ****. Who is your named first hand source for that claim?

 

Oh, and about that gun the Crumbleys kept in an unlocked drawer. . . well, maybe not.

“We don’t know which version is true, but my guess is that it’s more likely to be the prosecutor who’s blowing smoke.”

"This prosecutor has not inspired confidence so far."

We need legislation stripping prosecutors of immunity when they lie.

 

Your argument has merit. Media and entertainment certainly back up the idea a firearm is a “problem solver”. Someone bullied would be very susceptible to this influence, especially when they are denied the ability to punch a bully in the face. The implicit messaging society is sending them is almost as if offing the bully is preferable to fisticuffs.

They could always be taken to the packing plant and put a captive bolt into the brain of their lamb chop or burger. Probably not a solution either, but would connect many to the reality of the finality and solemnity of taking a life. I don’t think hiring the hits on every meal is advantageous to children or adults in society.

Oh agreed. Impractical and impossible. Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth about “muh rights” from the previously authoritarian remove firearm rights from law abiding citizens crowd!? They would be mad enough about violation of their rights to go on a shooting spree. LOL

It’s more of an urban problem. We (almost) had a mass shooting in my state recently. A dude got fired from his job at a grain elevator and came back later in the day with a handgun and started shooting people. Killed two and wounded one in about 20 seconds—the time it took for another employee to go grab the shotgun kept on premises for pest control and dispatch the disgruntled ex-employee. So three dead including the perpetrator. Not “enough” casualties to be a mass shooting but would have been without the “good guy with a gun”. So it can happen anywhere.

I would never advocate for jailing for bad parenting. As we agree, it’s pie in the sky anyway because it’s too subjective. My point really is just that unsecured firearms ought not be a crime. There are just too many cases of practical use firearms being unsecured for good reason. The lone act of having unsecured firearms around a teen is not negligent or criminal in and of itself. Yes, I know I’m in the minority, LOL. I do believe as a society we need to address parenting. If it doesn’t improve our country will meet it’s demise sooner rather than later. The destruction of the family and poor parenting is actually responsible for much worse outcomes in society than just the statistically insignificant school shootings.

 

That is because he has an incompetent lawyer.

 

The fact is that a simple search warrant would have revealed if there is a lockable drawer in the parent's bedroom. It is highly doubtful if there is one.

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Agreed.

I believe that would do the trick. And also encourage them to appreciate what real work is.

I believe the tables would turn quickly there, yes

Now you must know that I, like most non-Americans, draw the line at the philosophy that more guns will help prevent situational shooting by having a large number of 'insta-deputies" ready pull out their guns and dispatch the baddy. What then happens when one of the "insta-deputies" has a bad day themselves? Do you acknowledge that while anecdotally having a bad ass mate in the crowd to dispatch disgruntled employees is great on the day, statistically having more available guns in hands will increase shooting deaths overall (not to mention accidents and suicides). Without referencing individual rights, do you acknowledge this might be the case?

Completely agree on the former argument. The only question remains to what degree should the state interfere (if at all) in parenting, and at what stage. Interference could be on the spectrum of excessive assistance ( nanny-state) all the way to to one-child policy (authoritarian rule) and even sterilization. If parents can't do their job, do we step in and when? (probably an urban-focussed open question, but affects you too as your taxes go there).

I think, very similar to above, this is a critical question that will shape future generations and societies. I think the scope of it is immeasurably beyond this initial conversation and that we would see this very differently - actually, I suspect, due to differing personal experience rather than differing common sense. As a educational and developmental psychologist I advocate for holistic and systematic early intervention as the ONLY way out for some families. However pulling this off requires tremendous skill and flexibility. As part of my Covid experience I took part in our school's policy of calling every single parental home to check in on the kids (a few thousand families). It was a low brow job with a script, but I volunteered to help so that I could go off-script and have the rare opportunity of talking to families of all levels of psychological health. Very interesting results and two-sentence summary is that the diversity of needs was incredible. Integrated families prospered and grew closer. Less organised and at-risk families tended to disintegrate further and fall apart.

It's funny, I would reflexively disagree of course, but then I can see how impractical it is to open a safe every time you need to shoot, or if there's an intruder. It's a doozy! .... I'll have to think more about this one.