It wasn't a hoax

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The FBI has been a rotten organization and politically compromised since the early days with J Edgar.

    Comey and Company are merely carrying on that tradition.
     
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    It was about investigating Trump's ties to Russia. No one is confused about that.
     
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    You started this thread posting the Steele Dossier wasn't a hoax so I think it's incumbent upon you to prove the Steele Dossier wasn't a hoax.
     
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    Speaking of Comey...........

    Trump inadvertently admits to obstruction of justice in new Fox News interview

    Former President Donald Trump bragged that he effectively obstructed justice during a Fox News interview.

    Amid demands for Attorney General Merrick Garland to impanel a grand jury, Trump told Fox News that he simply had to fire former FBI Director James Comey. Otherwise, he could have been held accountable for his relationship with Russia during the 2016 election.

    "Don't forget, I fired Comey," Trump bragged. "Had I not fired Comey, you might not be talking to me right now about a beautiful book about four years in the White House, and we'll see about the future. If I didn't fire Comey, they were looking to take down the president of the United States… I don't think could've survived if I didn't fire him."

    The report published by former special counsel Robert Mueller said that they didn't even look at whether Trump broke the law during the 2016 election because he followed the Office of Legal Counsel's opinion that the president couldn't be indicted while in office. What Mueller did say was that he uncovered at least 10 examples of obstruction of justice from Trump attempting to stop his investigation.

    https://www.salon.com/2021/12/07/in...of-justice-in-new-fox-news-interview_partner/
     
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    The dossier was directly handed to the FBI who enthusiastically embraced it (the CIA also enthusiastically embraced it) w/o any factual evidence to embrace it.
     
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    So Trump fired Comey for insurrection. Good call.
     
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    And the media.
     
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    The CIA and congress received the hoax dossier too.
     
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    Heck, the CIA and the FBI were instrumental in passing info to Steele.
     
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    I suppose I shouldn't speak for the author of the OP but it stated nothing regarding the dossier changes what we know about Trump and Russia's involvement in the 2016 campaign. It essentially says all the criticism of the dossier, calling it a hoax for example, is an attempt to distract attention away from the findings of Mueller and the SIC.
     
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    You mean criticism of the dossier that it's based in lies, innuendo and gossip?:roflol:
     
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    Just as Congress is in on the Scamdemic....

    They didn't even take a roll call vote to pass CARES Act. Sorry, I digress.
     
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    Congress must be held accountable so we can throw the critters out come election time.
     
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    The FBI and CIA...Trump-haters...The FBI and CIA are members of the swamp.
     
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    Wishful thinking is powerful, and historically the Germans have often aspired to be a bridge between east and west.
     
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    So what? Russian attempts to manipulate US elections are a given, and have been for decades.
    My point was the slipshod work done by Steele, which was readily apparent to intelligence professionals.
     
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    Well... I could copy and paste the whole report like you do... pages and pages... if that helps.
     
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    What you don't quite understand, apparently, is that Trump's ties to Russia were ordinary as any businessman might have. His ties to Russia were not harmful to US Security.

    His ties to Israeli interests did not fall into that category.
     
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    That is factually inaccurate.............making it another way to divert attention away from the findings of Mueller and the SIC.
     
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    Ordinary businessmen aren't indirectly contacted by Russian operatives with offers of dirt from the Russian government on candidates running for the US presidency. Given the info the FBI had it would have been incredibly negligent for them not to investigate Trump.
     
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    Recitation of false government narratives do not make them become true and accurate. The rationalizations offered by career bureaucrats are never persuasive.
     
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    Just curious... I agree with you about the Trump family.. but would you say the same about the Biden family... even more interesting would be .... would you say the same about the Clinton family... We have direct ties to those families, with documentation, to Russian and China..
     
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    I have long considered DJT to be way less than scrupulous in his dealings, and I've never cared for his public personality. I could not vote for him because I do not consider him to be a good leader, not POTUS material IMO. That said, I agreed with several things he did as POTUS, and it was painfully obvious the Deep State was trying to take him down by all means available.

    I'm 74, so I've long known Biden to be just another dishonest career politician. I was not aware of his family's behavior until Burisma, and all that knowledge does is confirm my opinion of him. Biden is one of those in Congress who never met a war he didn't like. He's an idiot IMO, and much more.

    Clinton & Co have been grifters for years. A friend of mine was a client of Hillary's back at the Rose Law Firm back in the 90's. She is dishonest and much more.

    I vote LP, and was registered LP here in Florida, as they allow such registration. Last cycle, I switched to Dem Party ONLY so I could vote for Tulsi Gabbard. I really like her leadership qualities.

    I'm back to registered GOP right now, to support DeSantis. :angel:
     
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    The hoax was the activities preceding the Mueller investigation. The hoax was the creation of the Russia collusion from nothing by the Clinton campaign. It was a hoax by the FBI in using it in court. It was a hoax for the media to build what it built. It was a hoax that Mueller did not create and apparently didn't even understand. But I appreciate the deflection. It caused another snicker.
     
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    Yes, that criticism. Since.......you know.........the dossier has no bearing on what we know regarding Trump/Russia. None.
     

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