More Blood on Blue Hands in Biden's America: 13-Year-Old Murdered in City of Angels. Thugs Rejoice.

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  1. Bow To The Robots

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ld-girl-wounded-los-angeles-shooting-rcna7840

    Sad story, all too common in big blue cities these days. Very few details as yet, given the locale, very likely to be gang-related. A 13-year-old put in the ground before his young life even got started.

    Yet deeply-entrenched lifetime politician and LA County supervisor Janice Hahn has it all figured out...

    "This is such a tragedy. Gun violence has destroyed too many lives in this country and tonight it has terrorized another community."
    Fixed it for you, Janice:

    "This is such a tragedy. Thug violence has destroyed too many lives in this country and tonight it has terrorized another community."
    Until these "leaders" in the big blue cities admit that the problems in their cities are caused by violent actors who are not held to account due to wrong-headed policies that seek to absolve the ultra-violent thugs they coddle, more children will continue to die.
     
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    guns are just tools, but the more people that carry guns, the more gun deaths will happen as not everyone that carries them will be good people
     
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    Does it bother you that you’re too scared to call them n-words so have to resort to the cowardly phrase “thugs”?

    Let’s go Brandon! Amiright?
     
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    Correct.

    Fallacy.

    And of course, misses the point: Violent actors are responsible for acts of violence. Politicians give them cover by deflecting causation to inanimate objects. More people die because violent actors are permitted to remain in society. Pretty simple stuff.
     
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    That is it in a nutshell. You want to penalize all the good people because of the misdeeds of the very few bad guys who will refuse to be penalized.
     
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    people that can't control their temper should not carry guns...
     
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    Of course this has NOTHING to do,with the toxic gun culture in America does it?
     
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    Fallacy. Argumentum ad hominem: I am not the topic of this thread. A factual rebuttal addressing the topic will better support your argument. Fallacy, secundum quid et simpliciter: The race of the murderer(s) is not referenced in the news story or in my OP. The only person injecting race in this discussion is you. A factual rebuttal addressing the topic will better support your argument. You have no evidence to make claims regarding the racial identity of the murderer(s) yet you assume they are black. And you have the nerve to imply I am the racist. Very telling.

    You cannot refute my claim, therefore you resort to the lowest form of debate. Congratulations.
     
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    Straw man. Let me fix it for you: People who can't control their temper should not be walking free among those of us who can. Bonus: In prison, they won't be carrying guns.
     
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    People need to realize that reparations weigh heavily on the minds of these idiotic prosecutors who allow indiscriminate rioting, looting, killing and permanent get out of jail free cards.

    But if the perpetrator is white (or is a Trump lover), the perpetrator will be put on trial for the highest offense.
     
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    Please define "toxic gun culture" so we may have a factual basis for rational discussion. Thank you.
     
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    the increased gun deaths is due to the increased guns being carried in public, that is not a punishment to good gun owners, it's a consequence - I am just stating facts

    like more people that drive cars with less regulation, the more people will cause deaths with cars

    I am just stating facts

    at the very least would be nice if people had to take a class to buy a gun, but as long as owning a gun is a right, that can never be enforced - be like mandating religious classes to believe in a religion
     
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    It may be a fact, but
    The problem is that the bad guys will pay no attention to your "facts".
     
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    not sure what you disagreed with in my post
     
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    never said they would, they have a right to carry a gun, just as the good guys do


    owning a gun is a right like religion and free speech
     
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    So you believe that only black people are members of criminal gangs?

    Do you often stereotype?
     
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    white people are thugs too

    the war on drugs has created many thugs
     
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    Oooooh! We are walking into a whole mythos perpetrated by the gun manufacturing industry and their advertising arm the NRA. But let’s start with a culture that dismisses over 30,000 gun related deaths per year, that has the highest child firearm mortality rate in the industrialised world, that dismisses the billion dollar cost of firearm injuries, that sees women murdered in thier own homes because abusive spouses have the “right” to own a gun. A culture where children have to do active shooter drills just to survive school
     
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    Fallacy, secundum quid et simpliciter. You have no evidence to support this claim. A factual rebuttal addressing the topic would better support your argument.

    No, you are stating your speculation.

    Fallacy of false equivalency: You are conflating an intentional act of violence with a negligent act that causes injury. Firearm training and driver education are both very good things - but neither prevent the misuse of either item. The thug with multiple felonies who murdered six innocent people in Wisconsin by running them over with its car was likely a licensed driver. What your argument fails to acknowledge is intent of the violent actor.

    Again, please explain how taking a mandatory class would prevent violent intent. It won't, but I'm happy to entertain your answer.
     
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    So, take the guns away from the “bad guys”
     
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    Research based
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/322833

     
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    However, they could make a determined effort to go after the bad guys with a gun and put them in jail for a very long time.
    See above.
     
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    If only bad people didn't carry guns...

    if only blue states clamped down on bad people without thinking it's racist to do so

    if only bad people were not willfully let in by democrates?

    if only...
     
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    I'll bet you everything I own that the thugs who murdered this little boy are not NRA members.

    Dismisses? The fact that you can cite the statistics refutes your preposterous claim. Half of those deaths are suicides, by the way. Given that there are 45,000 suicides, that means only 1/3 of them are committed with firearms. What about the other 30,000? What toxic culture will you attribute to those? Heart disease is TWENTY TIMES more lethal than "gun-related deaths." WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE???

    The children of the non-industrialized world are "less than" is what you're saying.

    And the trillion-dollar cost of heart disease? Why do you dismiss that?

    Straw man - you are assigning blame for acts of violence to an inanimate object. Those same women also use firearms to defend themselves from violent men. Why do you dismiss defensive use of firearms? Why do you want women to victims of sexual assault and murder?

    Tilting at windmills. Children are TWENTY TIMES MORE LIKELY to die in a school bus crash on the way to and from school than they are to die by being shot in their school. Where are the drills for bus death??? Why do you promote a toxic bus culture???
     
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    And make sure anyone who commits a crime with a gun is put away for a very long time.

    Of course, the corollary to this is that we need a lot more policemen.
     
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