Kansas Governor Breaks With Biden In Appeal To Gop Voters

I hope we can... We need to get Evers out this year, and then next year we're going to have a very vital State Supreme Court race.

 

So God gave us this virus?.....or was it a lab in Wahfung China financed with American taxpayers money and at the consent of Dr. Andrew Fauci? Satan works in this world too you know! Check out Gain of Function Research!

 

Not trying to be clever. Just stating facts that don't make sense through your filters.

 

The key to your point is asymptomatic and I don't know of any study that shows that the vaccinated are more asymptomatic than the unvaccinated.

 

God was still watching thought wasn't he. As far as the rest of your post......false. It has been debunked many, many times.

 

No THAT actually was clever. Wrong, but clever, I'll give you that. There are no facts that back you up simply dots that don't connect.

 

and we have every opportunity to "resist the devil and he will flee" but in this case we didn't and it escaped the lab! Praise be to Fauci! He lied and got caught!

 

It's a good thing God has the devil around to blame for his failings. Fauci hasn't been caught doing anything wrong.

 

Well, as usual my posts are based on “awareness” of studies.

Here’s some summary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...rough-infections-vaccine-rate-symptoms-study/

Here is the actual study and a pull quote.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext

Now why would testing be recommended if these asymptomatics were not a transmission risk?

As I said. Large scale studies show asymptomatic rates are about double in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated making the asymptomatic rate in vaccinated breakthrough infection around 70-80%

If you want more information I’ll add some things I’ve posted previously on transmission from vaccinated individuals.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

And,
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114

 

He lied to Congress about Gain of Function Funding, a crime that would put a Republican in jail.

 

No, he didn't lie.

 

I concede the point on asymptomatic in the vaccinated. Now, do you have another point to make with that fact because getting the shot is still the point.

 

He funded Gain of Function Research in the Wuhan Lab.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/fauci...-in-wuhan-what-else-are-they-keeping-from-us/

 

You know........when you play "connect the dots".......you have to actually connect the dots.

 

The point for me is saving lives and providing correct information people can use to protect themselves and others from Covid. If vaccinated individuals and demographics don’t understand they are a transmission risk, and why, they can’t protect themselves and others.

This is mostly academic for the vast majority of Americans now because everyone will be infected with Omicron eventually. But there are still high risk demographics we should protect from infection as much as possible. We can only do this if we understand more than just “vaccinated good, unvaccinated bad”.

If people are serious about not being harmed from Omicron (vaccinated and unvaccinated) the focus should be in general health and immune system health. There are a plethora of things we can do to reduce chance of infection and greatly reduce chance of severe illness that are independent of the act of vaccination. Things like getting sufficient sleep, eating a proper diet, and getting plenty of exercise. It looks like the CDC etc. are never going to include these things in the pandemic response plans. It’s a shame because it could have saved thousands in the past and it could save thousands going forward.

At the end of the day, the biggest “mistake” made by public health entities was not using a systems approach to the pandemic, but instead focusing on narrow, politically divisive, often ineffective recommendations. Instead of trying to convince anti maskers that were never going to mask to wear a pretty ineffective cloth mask, we should have instead offered them options like the above (diet, exercise, sleep pattern maintenance) that can be just as effective (or more so in combination) at preventing infection than a homemade mask. We should do the same for those who wish not to be vaccinated or can’t be because of allergy or adverse effects or compromised immune systems.

Health is not dichotomous based on whether one is vaccinated or not. It’s much more complicated and involves many more factors. In fact, if a systems approach had been pursued, the vaccinated would have MUCH better immunity than most have now. Efficacy of vaccines is also a function of diet, exercise, hydration levels, etc., etc. If a healthy disease free society is really the goal of public health bureaucracy, we should see more comprehensive information on how to attain that health. There’s no reason people can’t be informed on more than one way to not die.

 

Damn......and you were doing so well too.

We can and should do more but the bold is a good start. Being unvaccinated does nothing to help and only hurts.

After being vaccinated.

Yes, but not for most or all viruses.

Not really going to do much to combat this.

Completely disagree. Those who wish to not be and can be vaccinated should get vaccinated. The chance of an adverse effect from the vaccine are miniscule and how would you know with taking it? What in a compromised immune system would keep you from getting the shot. They are the ones that need it most but I guess I don't know of any reasons that prevent from getting it.

Sorry, in a global pandemic like this.....it is.

Not really.

 

I think Rand connected them rather well. See what happens after Jan2023!

 

And Fauci corrected him with facts every time.

 

Fauci facts twist and squirm all over the place. The guy needs jail time. He might get it after the midterm. Otherwise he'll have the highest pension of any Bureaucrat. Quite underserved as well with all the misinformation he has pedaled!

 

Most people don’t like what I say because it’s truth and most prefer disinformation. Everything I post is based on peer reviewed science—studies and often meta analysis of studies. As you saw with my claim about asymptomatic breakthrough infections and transmission from the vaccinated I don’t post unsubstantiated opinions. I had hoped you were different but…what follows in your post here is nothing but your unsubstantiated opinions. I will show in most cases your opinions are in direct opposition to science.

A good start would be the act of being a healthy weight. This is a pandemic of the obese. Around 90% of Covid deaths occur in countries with over half of the population being overweight and obese. Of course vaccination helps. I’m one of only a couple PF members who understands and admits how good these vaccines are at preventing infection (not good enough unfortunately) and poor outcomes. But vaccination should not be the top priority for most demographics. It should be one tool in a box full of tools we have ready access to.

No, because good general health and immune health is key to benefitting from vaccination. See how vaccination benefits the obese and other comorbid individuals (mostly related to obesity and sedentary lifestyle) much less than healthy individuals?





Also, as I said, good general health is as effective as vaccination on its own for prevention of disease and poor outcomes in many demographics if infection occurs. Again, this is not my opinion, this is peer reviewed evidence. Here are a few examples of simple things we can all do, vaxxed or unvaxxed, to prevent infection and poor outcomes if infection occurs.

Exercise:

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-104203

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/19/1099

Diet:

https://gut.bmj.com/content/70/11/2096

Factors heavily influenced by diet and exercise.


https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.019259

Obesity specifically.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-bmi-positive-sars-cov-.html

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1257/5897045

Sleep.
https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2021/03/03/bmjnph-2021-000228

If you have studies with contradicting conclusions by all means present them!

Seriously? I know a bit about viruses in over a dozen species (including humans) and I’m not aware of any viral disease that isn’t partially preventable through good general health. Nor am I aware of one where good health and immune health influenced by diet, exercise, and general healthy lifestyle doesn’t greatly improve odds of survival if infected.

Want to guess who’s most susceptible to influenza, vaccinated or unvaccinated? Yep, obese individuals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523028/

Some highlights from an NPR piece that draws from multiple studies.

Diet has a huge impact on the entire immune system, influencing odds of infection with ALL pathogens. Here’s a bit on that from Harvard.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/nutrition-and-immunity/

Above I presented peer reviewed studies showing these things do impact infection, transmission, and survival rates greatly. You are of course always encouraged to substantiate your so-far unsubstantiated opinions that conflict with the quantitative empirical evidence I’ve provided. In matters of science, especially concerning potentially lethal viral infections, I have little interest in unsubstantiated opinions. Unsubstantiated opinions passed off as some kind of valuable information get people killed that don’t need to die.

I’m fine with disagreement but I prefer the disagreement be backed by science and/or logic. In this case your disagreement isn’t based on either. From a logic perspective, we would have to say that obese individuals should lose weight whether they want to or not because they drive the pandemic and endanger others. If we can’t say that, we can’t say unvaccinated should vaccinate if they don’t want to. It’s not logical. Not based on the science. Here’s a small example.

https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/573221-The-3-Factors-That-Make-Someone-a-COVID-19-Superspreader/

As far as people who can’t vaccinate, I know a handful that can’t because of earlier adverse reactions to vaccination and allergies. More importantly I know MANY people who can’t mount an immune response to vaccination because of their use of cancer drugs. Yes, they are mostly vaccinated, but it is an exercise in futility as they receive no benefit.

You are essentially advocating for withholding lifesaving information from the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. I’m disturbed by that position. Why would you not wish to use ALL effective mitigations? If someone doesn’t want to vaccinate, why wouldn’t you want them to take other steps just as effective in many cases at protecting themselves and you from Covid as vaccination? That is not logical.

Absolutely not dichotomous. As I’ve demonstrated above. Health is multifaceted. There are many mitigations that can take the place of AND increase the efficacy of vaccination.

More below.

 

Again, are you serious? One demographic most susceptible to breakthrough infections are solid organ transplant recipients. Kidney transplants are one of the most common, and most of them are a result of lifestyle diseases like type 2 diabetes and hypertension that are preventable and treatable with the healthy lifestyle choices I’ve presented above.

Other partially or fully preventable conditions that are high risk factors for breakthrough infection are rheumatoid arthritis, obesity, diabetes, etc. Again, not my opinion, just science.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00608-9

It should be noted the Israeli study was very short term and did not examine effect of coexisting conditions on waning immunity. I addressed the waning of immunity in an earlier post.

So again, my post is based on science. If people had a healthier baseline before vaccination they would benefit much more from vaccination. This is not new or novel information. I’ve been talking about it since the pandemic began. Here’s an example from April of 2020.

I understand it’s hard to accept science when one is accustomed to appealing to the authority of the CDC or someone like Dr. Fauci. But it’s very clear public health is not the top priority of either. I know my saying so will trigger an emotional response, but I think it’s very important for people to realize they need to think critically about these issues. Lives (yours and others), depend on it. I encourage you to start basing your beliefs and posts on evidence and less on opinions of others that are not based on scientific evidence. There is no value in misinformation during a pandemic no matter who it comes from, D. Trump or the CDC or Dr. Fauci. If it’s false or not based on evidence it can get you killed by a virus you could have survived.

 

You have presented no data nor any Science. Your claim about Transmission proven false by the Data - and thus is the only "fallacious nonsense" on display here - along with your claim that the "Unvaxed" are intentionally going out and spreading the disease.

Why should someone who has had covid (already been vaxed by nature) jab themselves with something that could cause death or severe injury.

 

It's not that I don't like what you say, it's that I don't agree. Take your point on asymptomatic and the vaccinated. Sure, I'll concede that the vaccinated test positive and are more asymptomatic but that doesn't correlate that they spread the virus as much as or more than the unvaccinated. That's proven simply by numbers.

You seem to disregard the rest of the world. Sure, the US is an obese country, but not the whole world. And another point is that a strong immune system is a good thing to have but it is also possible that it can be too strong and work against you.

False. Good general health does nothing to prevent you from getting a virus. It's simply the nature of the beast. It is also false that it is "as effective" as vaccination. In fact, that statement is dangerous.

You think people did studies to disprove the benefits of exercise? I'm not debating that!! I will point out that your studies start with a hypothesis that exercise is beneficial to help prevent the sick from being more sick than those that don't. They proved that.....but that is also a logical conclusion. The studies also did not mention vaccinated or unvaccinated which is the point YOU are trying to make.

That study does not prove your point. It says a good diet creates a good immune system. It says nothing about the odds of infections because it doesn't.

No, you haven't. Your studies DO address the survival rates and hospitalizations but nothing about infection and transmission and to the point about getting enough sleep,diet and exercise.....none of those prevent infection and transmission.

But MY perspective is based on science and logic. YOUR perspective is based on a preconceived conclusion and working backwards to show it's correct (diet and exercise is the key). Your study to prove that does make your point but it was done with less than 200 people. MY perspective take a wider view:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00460-x
Saying you don't want to get vaccinated because....you don't want to is simplistic and childish and not logical.

True, you have produced studies that show that diet and exercise produce healthier people. What a shock. Your studies do not, as you say, show that they have any impact on infection and transmission of the virus. Your studies make a point YOU want to make but to say that I haven't provided any studies to back MY assertions is disingenuous because I have given them many times on this forum as have many others.

(sigh) No, you haven't. A healthy lifestyle and diet will not take the place of the vaccine. It WILL increase the efficacy of it.

 

Ebola

 

Because it's not a "forever" shield against it, just like the vaccine isn't but the vaccine and booster is better. The odds of "death or severe injury" from the vaccine is so, so small to not even being statistically relevant.