Trans women athletes hold competitive edge, even after testosterone suppression, scientists say

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...tive-edge-testosterone-suppression-scientists

    turns out that these she men are scientifically in advantage thus turning women sports into more of an “it” sport. I strongly disagree with everything transgender. They’re mentally ill people and to let them run over women sports is insane. Based on this info all records set by them need to be erased and they should be taken out of women’s sports.
     
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    Oh for the love of... there is no evidence to suggest that trans athletes have unfair advantages in sports. We don't need much to start off with to disprove this. We just need to ask ourselves why do trans athletes lose competitions if they have such an advantage? If the article is going to talk about Laurel Hubbard as having an unfair advantage, then make sure to include she actually failed to qualify for the Olympics, despite having a supposed 'advantage'. Honestly, just get a better source than Fox news and right wing scientists.
     
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    A physical advantage does not always overtake technique. Just because he has more muscle mass doesn’t always mean he can use his abilities more efficiently than a more skilled swimmer. However, it does play a role and scientists according to this article agree
     
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    From the article

    furthermore a transgender himself admitted this fact.

     
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    So in other words… you don’t have proof that trans people have an unfair advantage in sports. Because even if you can prove there’s a physical advantage you can’t prove why that should disbar anyone from the sport. Physical advantage doesn’t mean an unfair competitive advantage.

    yeah that was from the first source right? The think tank? The right wing think tank that promotes right wing values on seemingly oil? Why should you listen to them on this?


    Even when she agrees with you you don’t have the courtesy to use her pronouns. And what does she know about this? Why is she saying this? What proof does she offer? How do we know it’s right? The simple fact is? She’s probably wrong on this. Because well, trans people lose.
     
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    I am using the correct pronouns. You are not. I won’t call someone what they are not. As far as the study are you going to ignore it? Or do you believe the study is false?
     
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    Right and she does not use he/him pronouns. She uses she/her unless your article is wrong. So which is it? Is Fox wrong or are you?

    And I already answered it.
    1. There’s no real evidence to suggest an unfair competitive advantage. The study doesn’t prove that because well, physical advantages exist all the time. You could easily design a study of winners and conclude the winners won because they had a physical advantage. Would you bar any of those winners from competing?
    2. I hit the source. Why should I trust their conclusions? Especially when they have a known bias?
     
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    Bio males are stronger even their preferred pronouns are used.
     
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    You know calling women “bio males” is just transphobia by a different name. And it really does show that reducing womanhood to “bio” is just sexism.
     
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    You are incorrect and not qualified to make claims that call for the operation of another's mind. This discussion involves science, not identity. Even transgenders admit that their identity does not match the body they were born in. These male bodies come with well known strength advantages.

    Can you address this fact honestly without resorting to personal attacks?
     
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    Fox is apparently wrong on the issue of pronouns but they did provide a study that also shows that transgender women (men) do in fact hold a “physical” advantage over real women. You’re arguing based not on science but on emotion. This study proves that they hold the masculine of a man and the bone structure that gives them that undeniable physical advantage.
     
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    It’s a man. He’s not calling a woman anything. There is no scientific study that suggest a man can become a woman. They constantly compare trans people to either real men or real women because they are in fact distinctively different. They are not the same and never will be the same.
     
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    You are literally referring to people as 'bio' as in... biology... as in their bodies... which is meat. In other words, you're referring to people as a people as a piece of meat. So there's the sexism. Because referring to women as a piece of meat is just plain sexist. As for the transphobia that one is actually easier. You don't say they're women. Or the gender they identify as. That's just automatic transphobia. Furthermore you're denying them agency to make their own decisions about their bodies. You are assigning them what their 'sex' is, not letting them do it. Why not just let them have that autonomy, or the same rights to be called what a person says they are? The only answer that makes sense is... transphobia.

    For someone who is criticizing others for calling into question their state of mind, your words do the exact same.

    So if Fox is wrong on something as simple as a person's pronouns, how can you be sure they're properly quoting the study? And notice the lack of reply to my other points. I don't think emotion is the issue here, so much as someone's refusal to debate the points I brought up.
     
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    so men are better at sports than women is what these scientists are saying

    what else do these men say men are better at the women? are there certain jobs men are better at? should male employees be paid more?

    come on, let's ask them the tough questions
     
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    Doofenshmirtz doesn't have pronouns listed. How do you know Doof here uses he/him pronouns?
     
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    Duh -uh
    Nothing NEW here. Move along.


    It has to do with male hormone activity
    on the embryo, genitalia & muscle development, etc. etc.


    Moi :oldman:
    Gender Declared At Birth IS IT!
    live as you like





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    That would mean that all transgenders are sexists when referring to the wrong body they were born in. Using dishonesty to put me on the defensive only reveals the inability to defend your position that those born with a male body do not have an advantage over those born with a female body. You have strayed far from the topic.
     
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    You can just discuss the issue if you have anything of value to contribute. Males are stronger.
     
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    Personally, I identify as a dog. I felt this way ever since I was a puppy!
     
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    guess this topic is done, your right, males are always stronger, nothing more to talk about, silly me
     
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    I never said "always". We are discussing athletes. Do you support putting trans athletes against females?
     
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    But, women claim they are just a strong as men and equal.
     
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    I have no clue where you even got that from. Trans people aren't defining themselves as their biology but rather how they want to present themselves. That's why you almost never hear trans people say they were born in the wrong body. That's just something trans people say for the cis people to help understand. As for the dishonesty? This goes to the heart of the thread, if you can't seperate out your own biases, how can you say it's about 'an advantage' vs transphobia and sexism?

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