BLM wants your family to be "disrupted"?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    many of the black people who have been abused by cops, were not wearing "hoodies".

    nice stereotype, though
     
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    But, is it bad luck Rampart? Or is it intentionally designed? I can't begin to guess your travels across this great country, but there is still a great number of people that still live "For the most part" the traditional "If we can call it that anymore" whereas a whole "If we can call it that anymore" family unit, Mother, working Father, two or more children yada-yada-yada..

    Again I can't guess your travels, but it seems most born and raised concrete dwellers have a very skewed view of this country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    LOL. It's an example as to how you end up using the description to help narrow down a list of people suspected. FFS these are not anywhere close to a counter argument towards better logic.

    I'm wasting my time here.
     
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    Bastiats libertarians Well-Known Member

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    Ill take BLM seriously when black lives matter to blacks. Blacks got more to fear from other blacks than they do from the police.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you believe its simply street smart and wise to be suspicious of every black man you walk by?
     
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    When you have a diverse group of people...whites-mexicans-asians and blacks. And the suspect is ****ing BLACK. Then you need to narrow in on guess which group?

    Then you go to what the suspect is wearing, and I'm sorry but dark hoodies are popular attire in the young black male community. So that presents another problem.

    You see where this goes? If only 3 people in the area are black...AND THE SUSPECT IS BLACK...who are you going to be watching intently?

    The ****ing old asian lady?

    This is like some chief wiggum logic here. You know what? Police should just forgo specific descriptions as to not upset the woke crowd.

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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We still have extended families. The key word is FAMILY, and that is where the blacks of today fail their own people- they want you to fill in where the failed as a family, pick up the trash and compensate.
    NO. I don't care how they chose to structure themselves- if it's not resulting in benefits for their community and race, it's damn sure a failing approach, not one to expand.

    The extended family other than your relatives is the community and society you are part of. We've been bending over backwards to motivate black people to become contributing supporting members of that for decades. Some have done so very well, but a large share of them are still waiting for society to accept them, prop them up and tolerate bad behavior- no matter how bad it is.

    Sorry- but I don't think respectable people make the George Floyd's of the world into heroes and build statues of them. And I- do not accept such people as being fit to be part of any extended family or community. We don't need or have a place for predators, and you have to be very foolish to think otherwise.

    Good people are welcome, bad people are not. Color makes no difference- conduct does.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you were being part of a discussion. Can't give up on something that doesn't exist.
    Discussion isn't the same as an argument, which simply denies facts and ignores others to score points in your head.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Black people shooting cops. Raiding, looting stores as mobs. Burning cities, setting fires to police stations, cop cars, stores....
    And murdering their own people far beyond what might be proportional to the average. Crime rate- 3 to 4 times the national average.

    Fix that.
     
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    many of the folks doing the arson and looting, were white
     
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    That reminds me of the time when airplane hijacks and bombings were a big thing, and massive security efforts were put in place.
    The US authorities were searching old ladies, jews, kids- every one, thinking that was equality.

    There was an interview on the issues that included an Israeli intelligence officer. He pointed out a difference in their approach and ours-

    "You search for the bomb- We search for the bomber".
    We widened the field and made everybody suspect. They narrowed the field to people who could possibly be suspects- and their rate of success was a lot better than ours.
     
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    do you believe its simply street smart and wise to be suspicious of every black man you walk by?
     
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    ?? Look at the videos. There were many whites at some of the riots, but when things turned ugly, the blacks clearly dominated the action. Given that they constitute 13% of the population, even if whites were half the group doing the violence- the black people would be there at a level 4 times out of proportion.

    That's also the ratio of excess they hold across the board in FBI crime statistics......53% or all US murders, for example. 13%x4+52%- and most of the black criminals are murdering black people.
    If your black and don't want to be murdered- look out for the black people around you. Jesse Jackson even pointed that out when he said "If I hear footsteps behind me walking on a dark street, I'm relieved when I find they are white footsteps..."

    White people aren't creating those statistics, black people are- and only black people can change them.
     
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    doesn't excuse cops treating all black people they encounter like criminals.

    currently, 2% of black Americans are in prison. The other 98% are not.

    and yet the 98% are treated like they are the 2%.
     
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    Treated like criminals? There are tens of thousands of law enforcement interactions every month between Americans of African descent and police officers executing their sworn duties that end in not so much as a heated word. The very small minority of black (mostly male, urban) citizens who find themselves on the receiving end of lawful force overwhelmingly are criminals and acted in such manner as to invoke that lawful force.

    The fallacies upon which Black Lies Matter has been built are that most black
    people face this kind of force; that black people subjected to lawful force are evidence that their life does not matter, and by extension all black life does not matter; blacks in America are in some kind of unique danger of being killed by police; black-on-black homicide is to be ignored as it is the leading cause of black urban loss of life but cannot be blamed on "systemic racism."
     
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    Let me reverse the scenario for you as maybe it will help life the fog of virtue blinding the logic in your argument.

    Say you have a mostly BLACK community and there was a rape and the suspect was a white male. A white make in a community that is over 90 percent black. And you look over and you see 2 white men that while do not perfectly match the description of the report are fairly close. And they seem to not belong to the community because again...over 90 percent black community.

    Would you be suspicious of those two individuals as while they may not have done the rape, that there is a chance they know or are tied to the person who did? Or do you just keep searching?

    I think I already know the answer and I think you would make a TERRIBLE police officer.
     
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    sad that you guys can't acknowledge that many innocent black people still get undeserved abuse from police.
     
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    do you believe its smart to be suspicious of all black men that approach you on the street?
     
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    "The way you see people is the way you treat them, and the way you treat them is what they become"

    Goethe
     
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    No I don't. But then that's not what is happening. I just gave you a brief outline as to the reasoning and you can't argue it which is why you are trying to paint it out as something else. I get it. But you can't escape reality.

    VIOLENT CRIMES. Blacks represent a disproportionate group that commits VIOLENT CRIMES in the united states. That's the problem.

    Fix that.
     
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    cant fix that without also fixing socio-economic inequality, inequality in education, inequality in job training & availability.

    its the whole system that needs fixing. Or do you think blacks are just genetically prone to being criminals?
     
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    This is a really good point. Civility in general has gone the way of the Dodo Bird in our society.

    Case in point: https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2...em-golden-corral-over-alleged-steak-shortage/

    I am embarrassed to have skin.

    That said, this past weekend I was visiting my elderly parents who live in a large city in the Southwest. Their dog got out and was missing for two days - a very sweet 25-lb. cocker. They live on the edge of the desert: Coyotes, javalina, owls, cars whizzing by at 60MPH on the 45MPH arterial... lots of objective dangers for a timid 25-lb. dog... we were desperate to get her back!! So I went out and canvassed the neighborhood. I met the nicest people, all of whom said they'd be on the lookout, some even saying they would make a point of going out to look for her. Of those people, I encountered three groups of children, I'd say between 9 - 12 years of age. The children were white, Hispanic, and black, playing together and making chalk drawings on the street. This is a mostly-white area, upper-middle-class, gated communities. I only mention the race of the children because of the topic. To a person, these children were beyond polite, calling me "sir," and insisting that I give them some of my flyers so they could give them to their parents and to their friends. I walked away from those interactions specifically with a renewed sense of hope, as these are our future leaders.

    The story has a happy ending: We got the dog back. Someone saw one of my flyers and found her hiding in a concrete culvert.
     
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    I'm not "guys." Just one person.

    Sad that you can't acknowledge that tens of thousands of Americans of African descent have perfectly pleasant interactions with the cops and that it is a tiny minority who do not but that Black Lies Matter wants to offer as the de rigeur.
     
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    yes, upper middle class children in gated communities are often not raised with the fear of inner city children and it shows

    they are more likely to suffer from neglect if anything
     
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    1 innocent black person being abused by a cop because they are black, is one too many
     
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