U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, I suppose there is a gamble involved in it, but "Russia" is not a single-minded entity. Putin may well be gone when this is over, and that could lead to some significant changes in Russian policy, obviously. It could mean revolutionary change.

    I've also been thinking about what his failure will mean for Taiwan. It should be a whole lot safer going forward.
     
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    O Lord! Lil Mike... THAT'S NOT TRUE!
    THE SWIFT SYSTEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE US DOLLAR!!!
    Via Swift you can make international payments from paying bank account A at bank A to receiving bank account B at bank B...in any currency! SWIFT is required for this...
    The US dollar is only the number one means of payment, just ahead of the euro, with which these payments are made via SWOFT, nothing more!
    Without SWIFT, I would like to see how Russia wants to get its gas bills paid from others, whether in US dollars, euros, Chinese currency or, if you prefer, in African shells! Then you can only do that in cash or a little bit with Bitcoin!
     
  3. Seth Bullock

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    But Trump is not our president.

    Virtually all of our clothes are made overseas, not just Trump’s line.

    And the Trump family’s perfectly legal business with China stretched back to far before Trump was in politics.

    You are trying to use whataboutism to deflect, but you cannot deny the truth of what I said.
     
  4. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That needs to stop immediately.
     
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    The problem with Swift is that it uses the American dollar, so they are able to keep track of all transactions. This is why Washington is able to sanction.

    The means that nations use to go against the sanctions imposed on them, is by using currencies or commodities such as gold, diamonds, etc. rather than the American dollar. This is why nations such as Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela have been able to survive for so long.

    One of the bad things about destroying the American dollar is that there won't be any way to keep track of criminal transactions.
     
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    The dollar will not be "destroyed." Not even close.
     
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    No ... not true!
    Right is that mostly is in international payment the US Dollar used, close before the Euro as other currency.

    Putting Russia of SWIFT system means that Russia isn't able to get and make any payment in international bank transfer ...no matter in which currency done!
    So everyone who wants to pay Russian gas invoice or any payment Russia wants to make to another one has to be done cash ... or in Bitcoin!

    The exclusion of Russian banks from Swift is an isolation of all Russian financial institutions and the stock exchange:
    They are cut off from the flow of information that is important to them and can therefore hardly carry out financial transactions on an international level - a great risk in view of the many Russian companies and oligarchs operating abroad. Moscow recognized this danger last year and announced that it wanted to set up its own payment system. So far, however, it has remained as a declaration of intent and without compatibility with SWIFT it is worthless!
    And Iran shows how effective an exclusion from SWIFT is!
     
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    More than half of central bank reserves of Russia will be blocked under new EU sanctions, top diplomat says
    From CNN's Niamh Kennedy in London

    More than half of the central bank reserves of Russia will be blocked as part of new EU sanctions against the country, the EU's top diplomat Josep Borrell announced on Sunday.

    Speaking alongside European Commission chief Ursula Von der Leyen in Brussels, Borrell said later on Sunday he would provide the political endorsement of the 27 EU member states for a new package of sanctions against Russia.

    "With these measures, more than half of the central bank reserves of Russia will be blocked," Borrell said.
    Under the package, "important Russian banks will be excluded from the SWIFT system," Von der Leyen told the news conference.

    Measures against neighboring country Belarus will also be "reinforced," Borrell said, in return for its role in "facilitating the Russian assault against Ukraine."

    Von der Leyen also announced that the EU will provide finance to purchase weapons for Ukraine, adding that this is the first time the bloc has ever done so.

    Borrell said the EU is doing so "because this war requires our engagement in order to support the Ukrainian army."

    "We asked for SWIFT and we asked for arms and now we are delivering on both sides," the diplomat remarked.​

    Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-27-22/index.html

    MORE THAN HALF of Russia's central bank reserves! That is YUGE!
     
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    Keep dreaming Durandal. You sound like the neo cons who wanted a war between Ukraine and Russia thinking it might topple Putin and put their criminal cohorts back in power.

    Latest polls show that only 7% in Russia oppose Putin's interference in Ukraine in support of the Russians in Donbass. while 76% support him. As for his all over support from the Russian people, it stands at 79%. Biden should be so lucky.



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    and burned too much in history;
    from others that were just like thee.

    But being burned's a lesson learned

    and trust is something one must earn
    and you haven't. Give it up! - Jeannette
     
  10. Durandal

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    I'm so looking forward to seeing what nonsense you come up with when this is all over and Putin is dead or in prison and awaiting war crimes charges.
     
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    so how is that had anything to do your bs claim china gonnd invade russia lol
     
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    Wait and see my friend, wait and see.
     
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    i wont hold my breath though :)
     
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    You should!
     
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    You assume that Russia loses the war, Putin is deposed, and democracy flourishes.

    Maybe. But I wouldn't bet the retirement portfolio on it.
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    As I mentioned, there is a substitute being developed. But Germany is going to buy gas from Russia if they have to send payment by railcar.
     
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    Well we probably shouldn't have tossed away our oil independence then.
     
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    Brandon's press secretary had this to say about that today ...

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that the U.S. needs to decrease its reliance on foreign oil by switching over to renewable energy, not increasing domestic production.


    "We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, on oil in general, and we need to look at other ways of having energy in our country and others," Psaki said during an interview with ABC This Week Sunday. "We've seen over the last week or so... a number of European countries are recognizing they need to reduce their own reliance on Russian oil."


    *smh*
     
  19. Durandal

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    But she's right. Renewables are not only vital to reversing climate change, but would make us and a lot of other countries around the world much less dependent on energy imports, especially from Russia.
     
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    We - the United States - are importing oil from Russia! We are helping fund the invasion of Ukraine. That needs to stop immediately. Full stop. Do you agree or disagree?

    And until we have replaced our use of oil with renewables, we still need it. And since we still need it, we need to replace the Russian oil with oil from elsewhere, ideally from ourselves. And never, ever, ever become dependent upon Russian oil again.

    When you restrict oil production, the cost of energy rises. It costs more to drive to work. The cost of heating your home rises. The cost of food rises. Do you Democrats know who you're hurting with your deliberate cost increases? Here's an effing hint: It's not the upper middle class and upper classes. We can adjust to that. Do you even give a sh-t? The truth is, no. You don't give a sh-t who you hurt. If you did, you wouldn't do it.

    The midterms are a short 9 months away. Don't ever say I didn't warn you.
     
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    I'm not a Democrat.

    I agree about fully stopping the purchase of Russian oil, though I imagine there are a lot of complications involved. It seems to me that we would have to stop them exporting it to make that effective, and that would be quite escalatory.
     
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    We don’t have to stop Russian oil exports, except to the U.S. We can encourage others to do the same.
     
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    North Stream 2 is blocked ... you didn't get the info?
    But everyone can pay by BITCOIN to Russia ... and even in the US is not every Russian Bank blocked by SWIFT sanctions ... some are not involved AND are also in the US as well in EU still open for SWIFT system!
     
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    I have to congratulate Biden on talking with China about the Ukraine/Russia thing and having China pinky promise not to tell Russia we talked to them about it.
     
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    We're governed by totally unserious people.
     
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