Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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    100% lie.
    The whole post.
     
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    There's no Warsaw Pact, and seeing how you are history-challenged, NATO was created first and denied East Bloc States entry.

    The Warsaw Pact wasn't created until 1955 and it was created in response to NATO aggression.

    Your history books have a penchant for telling stories by starting in the middle of the story, instead of the beginning of the story.

    For example, the beginning of the story is the US and Britain pressured Germany to halt payment of war reparations justly owed under international law and by treaty to the Soviet Union. Like it or not, that is an act of aggression under international law.

    The Soviet response was not starting WW III, rather the Soviets adopted a peaceful approach, namely the blockade of Berlin. That's where your history books start the story.....in the middle, just like they start the story of the Kennedy Missile Crisis in the middle and omit the material fact that the Soviet deployment of SS-4 and SS-5 IRBMs to Cuba were in direct response to the overtly hostile and aggressive deployment of Jupiter IRBMs to Italy and Turkey. That is NATO aggression.

    NATO has always been the aggressor. Always. Yugoslavia is another example of NATO aggression and another example of telling the story from the middle because telling the story from the beginning shows NATO to be the aggressor.

    If the US can preemptively invade a country, then so can Russia or any other State and if that's a problem, then maybe you should cease with the "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude.

    If NATO had not been hostile and aggressive and denied entry of East Bloc States, you wouldn't be in this mess.
     
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    Zero relevancy to fascist Russia attacking Ukraine.
     
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    IBM is leaving Russia.
     
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    Seems to me you're simply spouting Soviet and Russian propaganda. I suppose you were raised in that system, Romania having been behind the curtain in that era, so that would explain your warped view of history.
     
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    Huh....for a moment I thought ICBM was leaving Russia.
     
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    Wishful thinking?
     
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    3 min ago
    Ukraine's foreign minister says he had "productive discussion" with US secretary of state along Polish border

    From CNN's Niamh Kennedy in London

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    Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, right, speaks alongside US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, on Saturday, March 5. (Pool)
    Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba had a "productive discussion" with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on future steps to support Ukraine in the wake of the Russian invasion.

    In a televised message on Saturday, Kuleba said he had just returned from the Ukrainian-Polish border, where he held talks with Blinken along the neutral zone before crossing into Ukraine in what Kuleba called a "symbol of support."

    "We had a productive discussion about the efficiency of the sanctions already imposed on Russia and the measures taken, but also more importantly about our future steps in supplying Ukraine with necessary weapons and in imposing additional sanctions on Russia," Kuleba announced in English.
    He added that he was "confident" that Ukraine and the US will be implementing the outcome of the talks "in the coming days," adding that the US will join up its efforts with its European allies.​

    Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-05-22/index.html

    There is also video at the link.
     
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    Mah ... Israeli Prime Minister Bennet is now in Moscow to talk with Putin.
    Geopolitics is well more complicated than a simple back and white situation.
     
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    As far as I know, about half of Russian ICBMs use liquid propellant. Liquid rocket propellant is very corrosive and cannot be stored in ICBM for a long time, so they must fuel them immediately before launch. Fueling takes at least an hour (and it’s not uncommon for a rocket to blow up during fueling, especially if the whole thing is handled by rookies, and it’s not like Russian soldiers have a ton of experience launching ICBMs). Long story short - live satellite feeds are being watched over Russian nuclear sites and if they detect fueling attempts, those missiles will be nuked long before they are ready for takeoff. ;)
    Again, be careful what you wish for.
     
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    The red lines have been drawn. Putin is not going to back down. You can count on that. If he doesn't get what he asked for in their pre-war negotiations, there will be no Ukraine to speak of.
     
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    Disgusting.
     
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    Thanks for explaining procedures to a wider audience. However, you should stop kidding yourself. Some of them would eventually reach you and that is the end of the game. Don't be overconfident, their hypersonic missiles are far more advanced than anything you have in your arsenal. By a country mile.
     
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    I agree. The deal was on the table. Whoever rejected it, it's on them.
     
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    Russia has about 1,600 active nukes.
    I’d expect at most half of them to reach, which won’t destroy the U.S. but will sure as hell spell the doom to Russians.
    Russian nuclear threat, while capable of killing millions, is not capable to inflict the end of the world. Current military operation in Ukraine leads me to believe that a lot of those missiles are not really in shape to fly anywhere.
    Again, be careful what you wish for. Russians just got one disappointment in Ukraine, they might get disappointed in a hypothetical fight against Americans. ;)
     
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    Still trying to justify the destruction of a nation by a madman. Incredible.
     
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    I am not. All I am saying is...it takes two to tango. People in charge of U.S foreign policy decided that destroyed Ukraine is worth more to them than neutral and demilitarized one.
     
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    Just seen reports of explosions in Russian Belgorod. This war might spill into Russia itself soon.
     
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    It is not up to us to decide what a free country does. NATO will not close its doors because of Putin's demands.
     
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    And the latest:
    You're right! I came across this on a Greek site by Vassilis Kapoulas:

    Ukraine's Army General Staff has informed the Zelensky government that 40% of Ukrainian territory is under Russian control while 75% of the country's military installations have been destroyed.

    This also explains why Russian President Putin, despite the losses suffered by the Russian Army, has just said that Ukraine may lose its statehood.


    V. Putin said:
    "The current leadership must understand that if it continues to do what it does, it is risking the future of Ukraine's statehood.

    If that happens, they will bear the responsibility."

    V. Putin refers to Plan II of the Russian Army General Staff and concerns the complete dissolution of the Ukrainian state.

    We are no longer talking about the transformation of the Ukrainian state into a Federation or Confederation but about the partition of Ukraine and the direct union of 3/4 of the state with Russia.


    Ukraine's Army General Staff has informed the Zelensky government that 40% of Ukrainian territory is under Russian control while 75
    This also explains why the huge Russian military convoy has not yet entered Kiev. They may not have to enter at all. It is enough for them to encircle Kiev and put it under a prolonged state of siege.

    Russia will move the borders of the new state west of the Dnieper. Until now there have been misgivings about whether the two regions of central Ukraine, Vinnitsa and Khmelnitsky, should be given to the new small autonomous state with Lviv as its capital.

    But the Russian General Staff stressed that the Vinnitsa region should be given to Russia to ensure the alignment of the Russian front in order to avoid a rapid enemy strike towards the areas of Odessa or Kiev (see map).

    Zitomir and Vinica and seals the borders there. This also explains why the Russian Air Force is constantly bombing Positions of the Ukrainian Army in Zitomir.

    So Russia doesn't even have to enter Kiev but will let it fall on his own as Kiev's soldiers will be trapped from everywhere and will be facing a huge humanitarian disaster.

    "The pace of Russian airstrikes and Russian artillery fire in Ukraine has decreased during the last 24 hours compared to the previous days, but Russian forces are believed to be advancing in the south of the country," the British secret services said in a new briefing.

    "Ukraine continues to maintain control over the main cities of Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Mariupol," the British Defence Ministry said on Twitter early today.

    "There have been reports of street fighting in the town of Sumi. It is very likely that all four cities are surrounded by Russian forces."

    The ministry added that Russian forces are likely marching towards the southern port of the city of Mikolaiv and there is a realistic possibility that some forces will attempt to bypass the city to prioritize their advance towards Odessa.

    Britain talks about Ukrainian collapse...

    According to a document from the Ukrainian Army General Staff, more than 40% of Ukrainian territory has been occupied by the Russians and 75% of military installations have been destroyed.

    "By March 4 the Russians have occupied and controlled 40% of the country.

    The civilian population continues to leave the country. By the 4th of the month, more than 180,000 citizens have left. (Other reports say over a million have left).

    There are clashes between Azov's forces and the Ukrainian Army (internal conflicts).



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    You're lost Jeannette... There's no hope for you.
     
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