Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Zelensky channeling Churchill:
    "We will not give up and we will not lose," Zelenskyy said to a rousing ovation from the British parliament via video from Ukraine. "We will fight to the end, at sea, in the air. We will continue fighting for our land whatever the costs."
     
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    While Putin's tactics have been foolish and self-defeating, absent a willingness to completely destroy an enemy's civilian infrastructure and reduce its cities to rubble, modern warfare does not favor invading ground forces in settled or populated environments and the like. You don't need 3rd generation Javelin anti-tank missiles even. Iranian and Russian 2nd generation anti-tank missiles have turned American Abrams tanks in Yemen, and Israeli Merkava tanks in Lebanon, into liabilities in recent battles and clashes. The real lessons from this war have little to do with Russian ground capabilities but their tactics and their failure to heed the lessons from recent wars, Otherwise, there is not been a greater embarrassment and mismatch than Israel failure to take Bint Jbeil right on their border with Lebanon. The whole town had been reduced to rubble by the Israeli air force, yet 100-150 Hezbollah fighters were able to beat back several unsuccessful tries by an Israeli force of 5,000 spearheaded by their so-called "elite" Golani Brigade.
    Battle of Bint Jbeil - Wikipedia

    see also
    https://jalopnik.com/houthi-rebels-destroy-m1-abrams-tanks-with-basic-irania-1726478735
    Houthi Rebels Destroy M1 Abrams Tanks With Basic Iranian Guided Missiles

     
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    Can't be ruled out.
     
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    How about these videos of the non existent genocide and attacks on the civilians in Donbass? But then again sociopaths wouldn't give a damn anyway, unless it hits them of course - which it will eventually.


     
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    I like it....From the safety of his bunker somewhere close to the Polish border. What an insult to great Winston Churchill. Apologise!
     
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    "There ain't a horse that can't be rode and there ain't a cowboy who can't be throwed."
     
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    In his office, in Kyiv.
     
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    I think the entire world is at least somewhat surprised at how poorly the Russian military has performed. Clearly, they are being outfought by a more determined opponent, which is why we're seeing the Russians resort to the war crimes they're famous for, most particularly the indiscriminate shelling and bombing of civilian areas. Analysts have also given the Russian general staff low marks for planning.

    The question that was in my mind when the Russians invaded Ukraine was whether or not their logistics had improved since they invaded Georgia in 2008 and the answer is a resounding NO, and this lies at the root of many of the problems they are currently experiencing. I thought they would have surely gotten their act together by now but their logistics are just as laughably bad as they were 14 years ago.

    Bottom line, the Russian military is not a top tier conventional fighting force. Certainly, they have nukes and some nice high tech systems, but ultimately its strength is in numbers, as it has been for centuries. The problem, obviously, is that size doesn't necessarily translate to success. History is full of examples of numerically superior armies getting their asses kicked by smaller forces, and the Russians have experienced this in the past and may have stepped in it again.
     
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    Nevertheless apologise. You insulted great Winston Churchill.
     
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    Zelensky is firmly in Churchill's tradition.
     
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    And who will keep their factories open? You are making absurd claims without realizing that for each debit there is a credit. They have a lot of western manufacturing plants there and if they kill american economy then who will place orders, retool plants, maintain the supply chain and pay wages? Even if, somehow, Chinese managed to overcome that, who will buy their product if everyone is broke?
    All you got is toothless bravado with zero logic that pertains to realities of life. :bored:
     
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    Same as the U.S army....embarrassed by Afghani tribes....bloody peasants in sandals somehow managed to kick your butts.
     
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    Iraqis don’t care about Kharkiv, they live in their own country while Russian fascists are bombing residential areas.
     
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    The M1 Abrams export variant is much weaker than the M1 Abrams used by the US Army.

    The US Army gives the tank without DU layers placed in the armor, without the M829 series, without the propper optics, and without the fully-capable engine.
     
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    All you have is just a few photos. There are many people out there in the world who can dress up and hold a flag for $10. ;)
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Only fascist Russians are making these absurd claims.
     
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    The reality is that the Chinese are going to take over Taiwan and will control the whole South China sea? Who is going to stop them? The U.S needs them more than they need the USA. The Chinese has become a superpower only because of treacherous bastard Bill Clinton and democrats. They sold the USA out in 1990's.
     
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    Bone-Saw and Curve-Ball:
    Washington D.C. sticks to its Christian principles!

    We don’t want any of that dirty ol’ Russia petroleum! It’s immoral! No, America will turn to its ally Saudi Arabia and buy our oil from the crown prince, the Butcher of Mecca--Mohammed Bin Salman!

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    (Hey, we’re talking real money here!)​

    The German informant, Curve-Ball, has given important information that Putin is an oligarch and wants to bomb the peace loving Ukrainians who only want their freedom, and for no reason at all attacked the Democratic, tolerant, passive, Christian loving Ukrainians who needs America’s help! Why?

    And “Putin” has been bombing the civilians of “Yemen” for years murdering women, children, and men. We don’t oil for blood from Putin!….No, we will turn to Bone-saw like a good Christian nation would do! God provides!

    “… advisers to President Biden may be planning a visit Saudi Arabia to discuss global oil supplies as the U.S. considers a ban on importing Russian oil. Congressmember Omar tweeted, quote, “Our response to Putin’s immoral war shouldn’t be to strengthen our relationship with the Saudis who are currently causing the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet in Yemen. Yemenis might not matter to some geopolitically but their humanity should. This is a wildly immoral act,”

    JUAN GONZÁLEZ: … the U.S. has provided enormous military support to Ukraine, sending 17,000 anti-tank weapons just in the last six days, and billions more President Biden is requesting in military aid. And interestingly, while the rest of the stock market has been plummeting in the United States, the stocks of defense contractors have soared. General Dynamics, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin all have the highest stock prices they have had in 30 years….(Source: Ilhan Omar on Ending War, Global Refugees, Russia Sanctions & Why More Saudi Oil Is Not the Answer).

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    I think China will experience a lot of divestment very soon. They demonstrated where they stand.
     
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    Doesn't really matter to the point I was making. Over 500 Abrams tanks operated by US forces were severely damaged or destroyed in Iraq alone. And yet there is a big difference between the quality and quantity of anti-tank weapons you can supply to forces fighting the Americans than you can supply elsewhere, especially to Ukraine, fighting the Russians.
     
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    No guy, they are very famous persons in Ukraina :)
    Next person is very famous too. He is a president of Ukraine
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    Tanks broke down or are damaged. Most can be repaired and sent back. This is why it's stupid to cite number like 500 Abrams tank damaged or destroyed means nothing. The USA has recovery vehicules and well trained maintenaced crew. Heck even Germany was able to repair and send back most of the tan ks that were damaged during the war.
     
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