Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jack Hays

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    No, it is not the same. Russia is the debilitated remnant state created from the ruins of the Soviet Union.
     
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    News you can use.
    Here’s the status of Ukrainian cities under Russian attack

    • Kyiv: Residents worry that if Russian forces continue to close in on the capital, Kyiv could face assaults like those in Kharkiv and Mariupol — with troops bombarding civilian populations to compensate for slow progress on the battlefield. Satellite images show Russian forces digging in on the periphery of the city.
    • Mariupol: The battle for this strategic port city has descended into street-to-street guerrilla fighting with Russian troops, according to Ukrainian military and city officials. The intense fighting complicated rescue efforts at an art school that Ukrainian officials say Russian jets bombed Sunday. Moscow has called for Ukrainian forces to surrender and leave the city.
    • Sumy: Seventy-one children have been evacuated from an orphanage in the northeastern Sumy region, according to the governor. Several thousand people, including foreign students, have fled Sumy in recent weeks amid Russian shelling.
    • Izyum: Ukrainian forces fought back a Russian assault on Izyum, southeast of the second-largest city, Kharkiv, on Sunday, inflicting heavy casualties.
     
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    Hence the need for Putin to reconstruct the ol' USSR.
    :)
     
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    I'm sure that's his dream.
     
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    If there ever was a chance of that happening, Putin has guaranteed that will never happen now. Any attempt to do so would result in perpetual civil war.

    Now nobody hates the Russians more than Ukrainians. And that wound won't heal for generations.

    That applies to most of the western world. If the Russians don't take Putin out of power, they will be despised, vilified, and hated for at least a generation.

    The world is watching Russia. Are you going to be the outcasts of civilized society for the rest of your lives?
     
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    The video you posted with Scott Ritter is excellent. He really knows his stuff. Everyone on the forum should watch it to know what's really going on in Ukraine. Scott doesn't only go into the military situation, but into the sanctions and how they will backfire.

    We're in for a very rocky road because of what we're doing and the demise of the American dollar. What's going to happen when it's not in demand, and there's all these dollars floating about?



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    So we can merrily, merrily,
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    Ukraine rejects Russia's demand to surrender Mariupol in exchange for safe passage; Zelenskyy seeks help from Israel: Live updates (msn.com)
    Ukraine has rejected a Russian offer to allow two safe corridors out of the besieged city of Mariupol in exchange for Ukrainian fighters laying down their arms.

    The Russian news agency TASS reported the offer, citing Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, head of the Russian National Defense Control Center, and said residents of the southern port city were given until 5 a.m. Monday to respond.

    If Ukraine were to surrender right now, Russia would still bombard Ukraine. Ukraine would lose their democracy and Putin would move right in there installing his dictatorship and Ukraine freedom would be lost and it would be very much impossible to get it back. Ukraine refuses to surrender and will pull out the stops to keep fighting. Russia will also pull out the stops on their attacks on Ukraine.
     
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    That article is a bunch of lies, but then again what else can be expected from the BBC. The Russians had opened a corridor for the civilians to leave the city but they were hindered by Azov who needed the Russians living there as human shields.

    What Russia did was offer the criminals in charge of the city a chance to escape by surrendering, rather than ending up in military court where there are numerous charges against them. But instead of accepting the offer so the civilians wouldn't have to endure more hardships, they refused.

    Of course they might not have had a choice, since the neo Nazi Avov is still there and on top of them. Anyway the city is lost since it's surrounded by the Russians and the DPR military - while Kadyrov's Chechens are inside the city trying to clean it out. The only problem is how to save the people and city from the Nazi scorched earth policy?
     
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    "Seeks help from Israel"?? What the hell does Israel have to do with it?
     
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    Patrick Lancaster has posted a video today from Mariupol. Not very informative, but clearly the Russians and militias are in the city. Also note the steady stream of people leaving.



    About the Ukies still in Maruipol. They are mostly hunkered down in the area of the steel mill. They've asked Kiev for help but aren't getting any. They already been designated "Martyrs of Mariupol" by Zelensky.
     
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    I can't rep the post because I can't vouch for its accuracy, but more posts of this nature, and somewhat fewer "you bad, me good" type posts, would be appreciated.
     
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    Keep dreaming! You think that Russia really cares what the Anglosphere and EU think? Well guess again. Russia's gone, face up to it. They are now trading in the Yuan and Ruble with China, and with Ruble and Rupee with India. Same goes with Iran, Turkey, Venezuela, etc. It's bye, bye the US dollar and hello depression.

    Yesterday Jens Stoltenburg threatened China over helping Russia and told them that they should support international law as a member of the Security Council and condemn Russia. Here is China's reply;


    "...We can relate to the pain and suffering of people in other countries because we will never forget the bombing of our embassy in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. We need no lecture on justice from the abusers of International law..."
     
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    China certainly seems to be "enjoying the moment", so to speak.
     
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    A fighting chance against Russia, I suppose.
     
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    JERUSALEM — Ukraine’s president on Sunday called on Israel to take a stronger stand against Russia, delivering an emotional appeal that compared Russia’s invasion of his country to the actions of Nazi Germany.

    In a speech to Israeli lawmakers, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said it was time for Israel, which has emerged as a key mediator between Ukraine and Russia, to finally take sides. He said Israel should follow its Western allies by imposing sanctions and providing arms to Ukraine.​

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/zelenskyy-evokes-holocaust-as-he-appeals-to-israel-for-aid
     
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    The first part of this video is of Biden claiming he wanted to bomb Belgrade/Yugoslavia. Biden's Yugoslavia comments are now going viral in China. At the 5:45 minute mark is the reference to your quote.

    Zelensky just banned all political opposition parties in the 'democracy' of Ukraine. He also banned all media outlets except for the one owned by his thug boss, Igor Kolomoisky. The veil is finally being removed.

    If anyone is curious, he didn't ban any nationalists/neo nazi parties such as Svoboda.

     
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    It is better to be free pariahs than to be afraid of US sanctions and cowardly sacrifice what it demands.
     
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    The Russians made similar promises at Illovaisk in 2014. The retreating Ukranians were massacred by the 331st Guard Parachute Regiment as they exited via a 'humanitarian corridor'. The Ukranians know that Russian promises aren't worth the air they are spoken into.

    In a nice bit of justice that Russian regiment was all but wiped out over the weekend along with the Colonel who gave the order for the massacre.
     
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    Nah. Putin likes money & the Orthodox Church too much. He wants the old Russian Empire of the Tsars that the Bolsheviks inherited. A nation of peasants ruled by a tiny nobility and ruling over 'lesser peoples' on its borders.
     
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    The rest have already expressed their sympathy for Ukraine by refusing to help with weapons :)
     
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