Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

Oh .... but there are.

Committing war and/or waging war is not the same thing as being in a war. I agree with you that the difference can be slight but they do have juristic nuances. Here is an actual exchange of words I had with an American a few years ago:

American: "The US has never lost a war."
Me: "Not true. You lost the Vietnam war".
American: "We never declared war on Vietnam so .... we have never lost a war."

You can't have it both ways. If you want to discuss it further and try to decide what is right and what is wrong, then fine, but I draw your attention to the basis of this thread/discussion/dialogue and the title of this thread - "Russia Declares War on Ukraine". Is this a true statement or a false one?

 

Could you provide a concise summary of the areas under a) firm Russian control b) under Russian occupation but still contested with organized fighting c) the main battle lines d) Russian estimates of losses, casualties and equipment? Thanks.

 

This is fundamentally absurd and you don't even know why despite me giving you all the hints & clues anyone could hope for. You just babble on, Bunky, because I'm getting a good snigger.

 

The Russian soldiers are even trying to set a good example for the Ukrainians by laying down their own weapons and abandoning military equipment.

Those silly Ukrainians just can't figure out how to surrender.

 

I believe that you exposed yourself by trying to show that you actually know how the military force operates. Sadly, you proved the exact opposite. Try arguing the facts.

Larry C. Johnson: "The Ukrainian Army Has Been Defeated. What's Left Is Mop-Up"

Within the first 24 hours of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, all Ukrainian Ground Radar Intercept capabilities were wiped out. Without those radars, the Ukrainian Air Force lost its ability to do air to air intercept. In the intervening three weeks, Russia has established a de facto No Fly Zone over Ukraine. While still vulnerable to shoulder fired Surface to Air Missiles supplied by the U.S. and NATO to the Ukrainians, there is no evidence that Russia has had to curtail Combat Air Operations.

Russia’s arrival in Kiev within three days of the invasion also caught my attention. I recalled that the Nazi’s in Operation Barbarossa took seven weeks to reach Kiev and the required 7 more weeks to subdue the city. The Nazis had the advantage of not pulling punches to avoid civilian casualties and were eager to destroy critical infrastructure. Yet many so-called American military experts claimed that Russia was bogged down. When a 24 mile (or 40 mile, depends on the news source) was positioned north of Kiev for more than a week, it was clear that Ukraine’s ability to launch significant military operations had been eliminated. If their artillery was intact, then that column was easy pickings for massive destruction. That did not happen. Alternatively, if the Ukrainian’s had a viable fixed wing or rotary wing capability they should have destroyed that column from the air. That did not happen. Or, if they had a viable cruise missile capability they should have rained down hell on the supposedly stalled Russian column. That did not happen. The Ukrainians did not even mount a significant infantry ambush of the column with their newly supplied U.S. Javelins.

The scale and scope of the Russian attack is remarkable. They captured territory in three weeks that is larger than the land mass of the United Kingdom. They then proceeded to carry out targeted attacks on key cities and military installations. We have not seen a single instance of a Ukrainian regiment or brigade size unit attacking and defeating a comparable Russian unit. Instead, the Russians have split the Ukrainian Army into fragments and cut their lines of communication. The Russians are consolidating their control of Mariupol and have secured all approaches on the Black Sea. Ukraine is now cut off in the South and the North.

Larry C Johnson is a veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He is the founder and managing partner of BERG Associates, which was established in 1998. Larry provided training to the US Military’s Special Operations community for 24 years. He has been vilified by the right and the left, which means he must be doing something right. His analysis and commentary can be found at his blog, https://sonar21.com/

 

Zelensky is likely to be the next Nobel Peace Prize laureate.
I doubt Putin will finish 2022 alive.

 

The Reedovka map describes it well, it also coincides with a significant amount of information from military correspondents in the localities and information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It also coincides with the liberal Mash resource (https://opermap.mash.ru/).

 

You have cited a laughingstock.
Larry C. Johnson - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Larry_C._Johnson

Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. He is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group). He is best known for spreading a hoax in 2008 that Republican operatives had a videotape of Michelle Obama complaining about "whitey".[1] . . .

 

A fair chunk of this is truth, but not the whole truth. Russia WILL win this war, but
1 - Russia can't keep what it bit off
2 - Russia has troubles back home.

Russia will bleed, Afghanistan style. And soon, maybe Europe will source its energy elsewhere. There's goes about 40% of your GDP. And oh, no planes fly anymore.

 

Apparently the Russians can't hold their gains.
Ukraine says it has recaptured Kyiv suburb

 

Yes, I know. I cited The Scotsman.

Incidentally, argue the facts. Prove them wrong.

Larry C. Johnson: "The Ukrainian Army Has Been Defeated. What's Left Is Mop-Up"

Within the first 24 hours of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, all Ukrainian Ground Radar Intercept capabilities were wiped out. Without those radars, the Ukrainian Air Force lost its ability to do air to air intercept. In the intervening three weeks, Russia has established a de facto No Fly Zone over Ukraine. While still vulnerable to shoulder fired Surface to Air Missiles supplied by the U.S. and NATO to the Ukrainians, there is no evidence that Russia has had to curtail Combat Air Operations.

Russia’s arrival in Kiev within three days of the invasion also caught my attention. I recalled that the Nazi’s in Operation Barbarossa took seven weeks to reach Kiev and the required 7 more weeks to subdue the city. The Nazis had the advantage of not pulling punches to avoid civilian casualties and were eager to destroy critical infrastructure. Yet many so-called American military experts claimed that Russia was bogged down. When a 24 mile (or 40 mile, depends on the news source) was positioned north of Kiev for more than a week, it was clear that Ukraine’s ability to launch significant military operations had been eliminated. If their artillery was intact, then that column was easy pickings for massive destruction. That did not happen. Alternatively, if the Ukrainian’s had a viable fixed wing or rotary wing capability they should have destroyed that column from the air. That did not happen. Or, if they had a viable cruise missile capability they should have rained down hell on the supposedly stalled Russian column. That did not happen. The Ukrainians did not even mount a significant infantry ambush of the column with their newly supplied U.S. Javelins.

The scale and scope of the Russian attack is remarkable. They captured territory in three weeks that is larger than the land mass of the United Kingdom. They then proceeded to carry out targeted attacks on key cities and military installations. We have not seen a single instance of a Ukrainian regiment or brigade size unit attacking and defeating a comparable Russian unit. Instead, the Russians have split the Ukrainian Army into fragments and cut their lines of communication. The Russians are consolidating their control of Mariupol and have secured all approaches on the Black Sea. Ukraine is now cut off in the South and the North.

 

Road bound Russian forces have been vulnerable to Ukrainian units operating freely on their flanks and in their rear. That is why so many Russian senior officers have been killed. Mr. Johnson has entirely failed to grasp the Ukrainians' asymmetrical defense based on complete support from the local population. A retired US general offered an important comment: maps showing areas of Russian control are misleading because the Russians control only the roads. Ukrainians control the land between.

Ukraine says it has recaptured Kyiv suburb

 

The road bound Russians largely control only roads; the Ukrainians operate freely in between, with the complete cooperation of local populations. That is why, for example, so many senior Russian officers have been killed.

 

KGB structures are behind so called DPL. No wonder then that they are using purges and mass killings!

https://khpg.org/en/1436470164

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Pentecostals_in_Sloviansk

 

Google "Putin lies" and count the hits.

The leaders of Big Bad Governments tell lies. It's their job.

Start with this from the first search hit list:

“1. In 1999, bombs exploded in a number of apartment buildings in Russia, killing 293 civilians.

The bombings were attributed to Chechen terrorism, driving up patriotic support for Russia’s military in invading Chechnya. When one bomb was detected and defused in the city of Ryazan before it went off, new Prime Minister Putin praised the people of Ryazan for their vigilance.

His subsequent strong leadership during the Chechen War was key to his election as president in March 2000.

Yet forensics, eyewitness accounts and whistleblower revelations all indicated that Russia’s security service, the FSB, planted the Ryazan bomb.

The commission established to investigate the FSB’s role in all the bombings discontinued its work in 2003 when two key members died violent deaths. Deputy Sergei Yushenkov was gunned down, and investigative journalist Yuri Shchekochikhin died in a hospital from an “unknown allergen” that shut down all his vital organs. FSB whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko, who directly accused Vladimir Putin of involvement in the apartment bombings, was poisoned in London in 2006.”
THE CONVERSATION, Vladimir Putin’s lying game, Truth, lies and consequences, Here is a short catalog of Putin’s most glaring lies, as well as his actions against those who challenged him, August 6, 2018.
https://theconversation.com/vladimir-putins-lying-game-100513

 

Pravda lies!

 

I would say it is bleeding a lot worse now than it was in Afghanistan, and that's combined with the condemnation of the world and a much weaker economy and overall military than the USSR had.

 

Russia’s largest tank manufacturer may have run out of parts

By Christiaan Hetzner
March 22, 2022 8:26 AM CDT

Sanctions imposed on Russia to cripple their economy may be starting to hurt its military capabilities.

The country’s primary armored vehicle manufacturer appears to have run out of parts to make and repair tanks, according to a Facebook post by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Citing “available information”, it reported state-owned company Uralvagonzavod, which builds tanks such as the T-72B3, has had to temporarily cease production in Nizhni Tagil.

... https://fortune.com/2022/03/22/russian-tank-manufacturer-sanctions-ukraine-war/​

It's good to see sanctions having a meaningful impact.

 

First

Well if that's what Washington and our oh so credible MSM is telling you, then it must be true.

A - Nuland: "We have bio labs in Ukraine."
B - Biden: "Bio labs in Ukraine is Russian disinformation."

A - Declassified papers show Moscow was promised Nato wouldn't move into Eastern Europe.
B - Blinken - "We never promised Russia we wouldn't move into Eastern Europe."



They are but fools,

if thinkest so,​

that how they go,

others will go
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and that the lies,

that they dost show​

will changest that

which we dost know.

- Jeannette

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Before all this began, I wonder if anyone knew just how many Russian troll accounts were floating around here.

 

Yeah....This was also forced down to people's throat 24/7 as the Russian disinformation. Amazingly enough it turned out to be the truth. A year ago the Russian disinformation, today the absolute truth. Stunning.

Hunter Biden laptop story was ‘all true’

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/...l-true/video/aee3651cbdcc46a53d2dd7adb26a349d

The story of Hunter Biden’s stolen laptop, which contained incriminating evidence of shady business dealings, has finally been “confirmed,” says Sky News host Paul Murray.

“This was of course, a story that was denied, not allowed to be talked about,” Mr Murray said.

“Well the New York Times, they did a story following up on all of this – and surprise, surprise, have now confirmed that all of it was true.”

 

Honestly nobody gives a **** about Nobel Peace Prizes anymore. Obama was nominated for it 11 days after he took office and then received it.....and later went on to be behind the 2014 Coup that is the ultimate cause of the current war in Ukraine. He also tried to take out Assad, another democratically elected ruler. Obama armed terrorists in Syria so enough of this dumbass Nobel stuff.

 

Well, if that's what Kiev is saying right after their military repair factory was destroyed, then it must be true.

Blah, blah, blah!​

You will know what I am
in every which way
by the lies I write and what I say

Yet fools like me will never see,
that whenever I do it,
the blight's on me.

- Jeannette


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Yeah, it's like watching a dog eat its own crap.

 

Yes, there are millions of Ukrainians in Russia. But yet Russia doesn't bomb and kill them indiscriminately for 8 years. That ought to tell you something about the governance of Russia versus the governance of Ukraine. Russia is the sane, tolerant country....Ukraine is not.