OK - I absolutely DID misread! Yuck. And, I certainly apologize. I think there are worse acts where Christians play an active role in perpetration. The Republican party is 82% Christian, and they OPPOSE working to end racism (even the murder of black kids by police), insist on horrible treatment of refugees and others who come to America, oppose any examination of the overthrow of our democracy - either by violence as Jan 6 or by simply ensuring grossly racist engineering of elections and other practices, find it FINE that we support Israel in the horrors of Gaza and the humanitarian atrocities they wreck on West Bank, etc. It was Republican Billy Graham, the revered presidential spiritual advisor who pushed hard and continuously on Republican Nixon to radically increase the bombing of the people of Vietnam. It was Republican Bush who began the slaughter of Iraq without a legitimate justification. Yes, there are others in our country who were involved, and not ALL Christians were on the obviously wrong side of the above. But, the 82% Christian party PUSHED for that and has been getting their way on it.
It might be reasonable to say that those that molest kids.........are mentally deranged.(ill) That is not an excuse for that kind of sick behavior.........but if we are to evolve we need to understand all aspects of hum the human condition..........and that means comprehending abnormal behavior.s, impulses, and obsessions.. Free will is one thing................but some choices are made based on the pathology of the person .......and trying to prevent these behaviors /inclinations from becoming activated. It is noteworthy that many "religious" constructs are psychologically backward and bankrupt. by virtue of their dogmatic stance / position.
You might not be surprised to learn how many seriously delusional people not only say that ......but believe it. as they "explain" their conduct.
Yes. It's tragic. It boggles my mind how many "Christians" obsess about homosexual and bisexual people but that same level of interests and outrage leveled at the monsters that hurt kids and shame them within some kind of religion could get almost all, if not all, the perverts out of our places of worship. Our priorities are so messed up. It's unreal. We can choose to do something different; something better for our children. Spoiler: Tough Stuff I have complex-PTSD because of my childhood abuse and being a former cop. I can't put most of it into words because it's too horrific. Suffice it to say, I was required to see a psychiatrist as part of my divorce (ex did some evil bs) and at one point the doctor dropped his pen and pad, looked at me and said "How in the hell haven't you killed yourself?" No joke. I didn't have the worst life in the world. I had to stop being a volunteer child abuse advocate because I sincerely pondered how to get kidnap some of those kids and get out the country. Some of them and I and many people I know personally were abused directly at the hands of "church leaders". I taught my kids not to worship other humans and NOBODY is "safe". I don't care if they are a doctor, police officer, minister or some uncle that shows up at family events (my family helped my ex kidnap my kids so they get taken around the same people that abused me. Ugh. Nobody gets an "automatic" pass, not even me. If I do something that feels "too much", they have every right to say "I don't like that." and that's it. They are at that age where I can't hug and kiss them in public so.... The one thing I'm most afraid of is they could get hurt and not tell me because they know it won't end well for whoever hurt them so I try to make it sound less ominous when I tell them they can tell me anything and everything. Nobody is going to walk away from hurting my children. That's not even negotiable and it p!sses me off how many people blame their kids when somebody they entrusted with them hurt them. That's not a kid problem. That's a parenting problem and the church covering that up just compounds their pain. We're seeing it right now right before our eyes. I wondered how Trump could just lie just as easily as the rest of us breathe and his cultists don't even pause a second to fact check or question anything. If somebody can lie straight to your face on camera and repeatedly and break numerous laws and obstruct justice repeatedly (again, all in the open) can you begin to imagine what slime like him can get away with behind closed doors? That's the stuff in my nightmares. Stuff other people think is made up from some horror movie. It's sick and as long as the people that have the power to speak up choose to not do so...we are always going to have a society full of broken people. It doesn't have to be that way.
Did God curse us? Yes. We disobeyed and are paying the price. To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
so stop those things too, if a God chooses not to, then he lets children be molested (in a church at that)
I think you're grouping a lot of people together in unfairly overgeneralized ways... but even if I'm wrong, that just means that most Christians arent very good at following the tenets of their God. And that is most certainly true, though its also most certainly a problem shared by all faiths, religions and ideologies. People in general are quite good at both hypocracy and cognitive dissonance.
I believe they are mentally deranged. I read somewhere that most pedophiles are victims of pedophelia. If true, then it is very much like an illness that is contracted from others.
We already did start there. Where do you think it should stop? What bad things should humans still be allowed to choose to do or not do to exercise their will and choose to be good or bad?
It's the typical excuse used be perverted people of all variations. "I can't help it, God made me this way. It's perfectly normal." Used effectively by homosexuals and soon by pedophiles.
Indeed...... that kind of aberrant behavior is an illness. This is why it is important that we as a society become more psychologically astute..............so we can pick up the systems of these and other manipulative behaviors soonest. Religion has some bizarre (and unhealthy) expectation s of humans when ti comes to sex.............and that could be a part of the problem too. Humans are biological beings...........with biological needs.
Don't thin it is as simple as that........ as culture , environment , upbringing. etc plays a big part in ones value system. In some cultures it is still ok. to kill............or abuse women. the value system depends on how advanced a culture is............ and how well educated .
You did not answer 'What bad things should humans still be allowed to choose to do or not do to exercise their will and choose to be good or bad?' ...or are you saying- if you were God you would not give humans that choice?
That would make 'god" a bit of a dictator.........wouldn't' it?? .......... and who would decide what is good behavior and what is bad behavior..............or shades of gray??
no more than a cop stopping a crime he sees happening standing there watching and doing nothing would make God what?
I admit, a lot of Christians are hypocritical. I don't defend them. But, few of them insist that we see their behavior as normal and must be affirmed by society.
being homosexual is normal, just like being heterosexual in support of same sex marriage http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7:8-9&version=NIV " 8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. "
It's normal because a lot of people are homosexual? So it's Not a sin? How about rape, or child sacrifice, or murder? Every possible human behavior is normal to a certain percentage of people. How far do we go in affirming those behaviors?
Humans are responsible for their own actions........... and consequences of same. This is why we have the laws we do. Not sure there is an entity called god. Man created this entity because he needed something /someone to worship.............but that is getting outdated now too as mankind progresses and evolves. and understands more .
