Migrants arrive in D.C. on buses sent by GOP Texas Gov. Greg Abbott

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You used the quote feature to cite my statement about negligent parents. Negligent parents should most definitely face legal consequences. YOU said ".. imposing prison time for those refusing to consume trumps pharma product"

    I only expect retraction from serious posters when they make a mistake or they are proven wrong. So I don't expect one from you. But then, don't expect ME to take you seriously or to respond to your posts (unless I can think of something funny to say) or... to even READ your posts.
     
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    I have no problem with the xenophobic governor of Texas spending the money he gets from xenophobic Texan taxpayers on the well-being of refugees.
     
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    I have no problem with the Texas government bringing the problem ignored by the current administration, to their doorstep. A one way bus ticket to Washington is far cheaper then it would cost to house and feed illegal migrants indefinitely. Or jail those who...you know? Are criminals inherently. Because unlike your hopes and dreams, the majority coming across now are single men and not all of them are full up on gum drops and lollipops of good will.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/the-facts-on-the-increase-in-illegal-immigration/

    ;)
     
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    It's just "six of one, or, a half-dozen of another". Either the migrants would be sent deeper inside our country by some government's bus, or, the Federal Government would be providing chartered jetliners to transport them on their merry way!

    The bus expense will be journal-vouchered over to the Feds by the State of Texas for payment anyway, so, the only 'net-net' of this whole miserable, out-of-control migrant mess is that we continue to bring tens of thousands of migrants into the country that we didn't NEED here in the first place.

    Many, predictably, will find themselves comfortably on endless welfare programs, paid for -- yes -- by Texans... and all the rest of us American citizens, too.
     
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    EXACTLY

    This "stopping" every truck at the border has somehow gotten little to no attention. Not sure whey its not a much bigger story
     
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    Not for Texas. Because assistance for asylum seekers is paid by the Federal government. Until they start working and then they pay for THEMSELVES and start producing and paying taxes to the state.

    Once again you repeat nonsense you hear from Tucker Carlson, or Breitbart... or some similar wingnut source of the wingnut echo-chamber... And you actually keep believing them!

    Will you ever learn from the many times they have deceived you?
     
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    I don't want them here. Period. There is a line and a proper path to citizenship. Don't skip the line. Once you are here, you are illegal. You've skipped the line. That's the bottom line. After that, I would rather these mostly single men to be shipped right to Biden's doorstep. Where he can deal with the "dreamers" himself. Or not deal with it and just let the public over in Washington suffer the consequences should some of them turn out to be...not so dreamy.

    How many criminals do we need to allow illegal entry to terrorize our citizens before you wake up?

    ;)
     
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    Good luck with that! I think Texas will carry the cost. It's not a matter of "needing". It's their RIGHT to be considered for asylum. The mess in immigration is not their fault.

    That is factually inaccurate. Last study I know was from 2016, and illegal immigrants contributed over $1 trillion to GDP that year, taking costs and benefits into account. Plus almost $500 billion in taxes. Average salary of a 3 member family was $32000. And, at the same time, crimes committed by asylum seekers who were in the U.S. was way below the average of U.S. citizens.

    I opened a thread several years ago about the cost vs benefits of illegal immigration. Most definitely the benefits outweighed the cost. Mostly at a state level, but also at a federal level. I might do the research and update that thread when I have the time.
     
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    And yet... they are here. And they have a RIGHT to be. I don't want xenophobes here either. And yet... they are here too.

    Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but it looks like this conversation is not about YOU.
     
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    No. No no sir. You don't get to watch the movie if you decided to skip to the front of the line at a ticket kiosk. You get your ass booted to the back of the line. If you skip the legal method, I don't care how virtuous or good willed you are. ****, respect the process and get in line.

    And of this principle I will not sway, not will my constituents.

    Have the brains to do it the right way or **** off?
     
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    The Feds will 'grandstand' (much as the Texans are doing, frankly), but at the 'end of the fabled day' the states will be able to JV the transportation and other costs over to 'Uncle Sugar' for payment... eventually.

    But, please, one clarification -- many of us (me, too) have nothing in this world against temporary workers, per se, getting Green Cards and coming into the country. I don't know how we could even get half the jobs related to construction or building repairs done competently if it weren't for Mexicans! I'm being most sincere! Who wants to have some white, American, twenty-something putting a new roof on a house while this adult-child is playing with his smartphone on social media?!

    The big piss-off right now about "asylum" is that huge caravans of migrants are being coached about how to game our system and make fraudulent claims for asylum that simply are not valid! Is there a difference between some bunch of Central American peasants making claims that they were in danger of being murdered by a hostile government back home, and Ukrainians making the same claim? YOU BET THERE IS... and most American citizens understand that instinctively. But who is the ACLU and 'migrant advocacy groups' so intent on bringing into the country in swarms? You don't need 'three guesses'.... :roll:
     
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    What study was this? They’re not making enough to actually pay REAL taxes. The only taxes are sales tax. They’re consumers only. Their salaries aren’t covering a trip to the hospital which they don’t pay for or the cost of their illegal children attending schools. And how much is a murder? What’s the value of every life they take or their drugs impact? What’s the cost of the accidents they get into and cause? They’re not creating anything. Then the cost of the families they create and the poverty that they spread? What are the generational costs? The water they’re consuming? The general blight they spread where they live?
     
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    No idea what you're talking about. Asylum seekers wait for months in line for their trial just like everybody else. And it's not only legal, it's a RIGHT. One that is guaranteed by our laws.

    I'm not saying you are a xenophobe (which would be against forum rules), but you are definitely repeating the FAKE narrative that typically originates from xenophobes like Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones ... and others.
     
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    1. You've peppered this thread with the word xenophobia and you're using it as an insult (what a surprise). Xenophobic is the wrong word and you know it, is is xenophobic when liberals trash the residents of Texas, Florida and Tennessee?

    2. There's nothing wrong with xenophobia. Nothing.

    3. First the left bitches about busing illegals to DC, then turn around and say busing the to DC is doing them a favor. It appears you started this thread just to bitch and display your hatred of Abbott. Why do you hate handicapped cripples?

    4. By supporting illegals entering this country you also support the drug cartels and the drug overdose deaths in this country, the rape and sexual abuse of the women and children who are being trafficked by the cartels, the deaths of thousands of potential illegals who fry or freeze in the desert, and lawlessness in general. How many times have we heard the left say no one is above the law?

    5. Going back to point #3, it seems you just want to bitch and spout hatred. Those delightful virtues seem to be built into the DNA of most liberals, so take comfort in knowing you're not alone in your hate mongering.

    6. Every time a liberal calls someone else a name such as being xenophobic, racist, sexist, etc, that's when we know two things; you have no real argument and you're playing the victim card. Is there any liberal pet who isn't a victim? I mean illegals, blacks, muslims, chinamen, women, indians, gays, etc, in the eyes of liberals they're all oppressed victims. Why do you insult them like that?
     
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    Well... you can't expect coyotes not to promote their work. We just need to get better at processing them faster.

    Obama was on a path to reduce these "caravans" somewhat. Especially those of minors traveling alone. But Trump threw all the progress out the window.
     
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    Different thread. You can use "benefits" as the lookup term in the title of a thread started by me two or three years ago, I believe. That one has all the studies.
     
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    Don’t you love it when the groomers of sexual perversions use words like xenophobia to arrack people? There’s nothing wrong with being xenophobic, but being a groomer….
     
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    I would consider it an insult. Not sure if xenophobes consider it too.

    Oh... I see your point. So I should use a different word to describe people with an irrational fear of foreigners, so they don't feel "bad".

    I think I'll stick with "xenophobia", thank you.

    My point is made.
     
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    Why don’t you go all in and demand the end of passports. Just allow anyone who wants to come here to waltz on in. Passports are xenophobic, racist and transphobic. Oh the horror.
     
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    After all the illegal aliens are safely housed in DC all of the homeless who cannot be accommodated in Twitter's HQ should be sent to DC so they can take over management of the place.
     
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    DOING THE JOB MOST AMERICAN PRESIDENTS WON’T DO: Abbott, Mexican governor reach agreement to secure part of Texas-Mexico border.
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    That's a lot of unsafe Mexican Trucks.
    That's the kind of leadership that is called for.
     
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    My assessment was 100% right and you confirmed it. You have made false statements about me and have resorted to cheap insult attempts. It doesn't bother me and I hope you keep it up. It only reveals your inability to challenge my position on merit.

    On one hand, you claim parents should be in prison for refusing to consume a pharma product when the risk of not consuming it is close to zero.

    Here we are in a discussion about enforcing border security and parents bringing children through the desert and dealing with cartels on the way. This puts their children at an even higher risk.

    Why do these parents get a pass?
     
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    I love it when a liberal atheist suddenly finds God.

    Could you show me the part of our constitution where Grant's constitutional rights to illegal aliens? I bet you can't I bet what you'll do is cut this part out of my post if you even respond.
     
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    I believe more than anything it is an effective way to force the media from ignoring this serious crisis. I'm sure they'll try to spin it as "Abbott bad" but it still forces them to cover what is a huge story.
     
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    I don't believe Trump had the best policy at all. It was 'a finger in the hole in the dam'. He SHOULD have declared an airtight moratorium on ALL immigration into the United States for several years, with only VALID claims for asylum even considered as exceptions!
     
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