Migrants arrive in D.C. on buses sent by GOP Texas Gov. Greg Abbott

There is a process of getting INTO America. You do it at a border crossing, legally. You don't simply go to America and then apply to go to America. That's like applying for the job while doing the job...and expecting to get paid. No no.. you were not hired yet. You don't get the benefits of the thing you are applying for.

 

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You wrote that like you think they think things through. They don't. They just scream and beat their chests like cavemen shouting the latest buzzwords. Pretty soon this will be spun into those buses being hijacked and taken to D.C. without authorization.

 

How would you know which claims are "valid"? Even more difficult during the Trump administration, since he reduced the number of immigration judges at the border. Only reason that didn't cause even MORE illegal immigration (a bigger backlog) was the pandemic.

 

The media is laughing at how ridiculous Abbot's temper tantrum is playing out.

Feel free to keep trying, though. Maybe you will come up with some "excuse". That one didn't work, though.

 

Yeah the media is trying to shame Abbott but in doing so they're drawing attention to the horrible crisis. I don't consider it an excuse but an effective tactic. Dems want the populace to not think about the hordes pouring across our southern border crushing our schools and hospitals and courts and prisons.

 

The left can't even bring themselves to call out the difference between migrants and illegal aliens.

 

All claims for asylum from anyone should be highly-detailed, easily verifiable, and properly submitted.

Subsequent rulings by U. S. immigration authorities then are transmitted to applicants BEFORE the migrants are allowed inside the U. S. for any length of time longer than it takes to drop off their applications.

It can take a long time, yes... that's what happens when asylum-fraudsters crowd our border entry points in swarms; nevertheless, the U. S. is not required to set applicants up with free lodging, free food, free medical care, etc., etc., etc., pending a final ruling on their application. They are supposed to apply while still in some foreign country, but few observe that requirement....

 

Oh no, not the MEDIA!!!
Have you checked recently how much Americans trust or care about the media?

 

They are properly submitted. Other than that, they are what they are. Our laws call for a judge to make the determination. Asylum seekers are protected by constitutional rights like the presumption of innocence.

No! According to our laws they HAVE to be physically present in the U.S. to apply for asylum.

Where did you get that idea? Most asylum seekers can provide for themselves by working. And they DO work. And they pay taxes (about half a trillion a year), some pay medicare (though most never receive benefits), and they increase GDP to the tune of about $1 trillion (data from 2016) a year

But this thread is about Abbott's idiotic move. I opened a thread on that topic a couple of years ago.

Because that is contrary to U.S. law.

 

Oh God! Not ANOTHER right-winger who jumps into a discussion without bothering to find out what it's about.

 

No you don't seem to understand, I mean quote depart the grants any rights to illegal aliens.

 

Oh what a bunch of BS. They can easily go to the American embassy and apply for asylum there.

Not even going to waste time addressing the rest of your unverified claims

 

Uhh you saying jumping a river and getting a court date is the same as applying for one of the many work visa's or green cards? Good grief desperation noted. The river jumper is breaking in line and it's illegal period. You don't care, they don't care, we get it.

 

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Article 1 grants Congress the power to make laws. The law says illegal aliens have a RIGHT to apply for asylum. If you want me to explain constitutional law to you, I'm not wasting my time. As a matter of fact, if you want to learn laws, do YOUR OWN research. This is as far as I am willing to tutor you.

 

Hardly.

 

That's trivially easy. A moderate intelligent high school grad could figure it out with only a few hours of training.

You see, there are only FIVE things that qualify for asylum, to wit:

A person can qualify for asylum if he or she has:

• A reasonable fear
• Of future persecution
• On account of
• Race, religion, national origin, political opinion, or membership in a social group

So, if you are black, and there is a serious and reasonable risk that the government in your home country, or a group that the government can't or won't control, is going to threated to kill you, or torture you, then you would qualify under the "race" category. Similarly, if you are a Muslim, and the same conditions exist against Muslims in your home country, you would qualify under the "religion" category. Ditto for "national origin", "political opinion", or "membership in a social group".

Now, if you're smart, you realize that pretty much 99% of would-be asylum seekers don't qualify under those conditions. You don't see "wanting a better life" on there, or "to improve my economic conditions", or "to make money to send to my family back home". It also doesn't include "Where I live is unsafe due to cartel activity", unless it's unsafe to a specific individual based on one of the above five qualifying groups.

I think it's also completely reasonable to assume that the would-be illegal aliens know they don't qualify, because they're only crying "Asylum, asylum" when they get caught. For those who manage to get in without being apprehended, which I would guess is a much larger number than those who are apprehended, they don't apply for asylum. They just go about their lives of sucking off the gubmint teat, making anchor babies, taking jobs unemployed Americans should be doing, altering our culture, and generally just being an overall pain in our collective asses, and don't give a second thought to playing by the rules.

I don't know if you're right about that or not, after all, American Embassies are legally considered US Soil, so being physically present there is the legal equivalent to being physically present in the US itself, but even ignoring that question, and assuming you are absolutely right, it doesn't mean they get to stay. Come in, drop off your application, and go back across the border and wait to hear from the immigration authorities. There is no reason to admit them even on a hypothetically temporary basis.

I know I've already explained this to you, not that you bothered to answer, but being opposed to illegal immigration is not xenophobia. It is, in fact, just endorsing following the existing laws written. When it comes to legal immigration, we should only admit those who we actually need, or those who are married (or to-be married) to US Citizens. Citizens should and do have the right to marry anyone they like, and have that person granted instant authorization to live and work in the US. As for other legal immigrants, we're talking people who have enough money to fund a new business, maybe retired folk with money to burn who won't be taking a job an American could be doing. In general people who would contribute financially to the US, and not be a net drain.

I would also say people who have specialized skills that are hard to find among unemployed US Citizens, but the H1B visa program is extremely abused, especially in the IT world. I have personally known people who were laid off, and then essentially blackmailed to train their replacements, who are almost exclusively from India, by refusing to pay their severance if they don't. In theory, a company is supposed to demonstrate (or at least certify) that they have taken reasonable steps to find US Citizens to fill those jobs, but since it was US Citizens who actually HAD those jobs until they got replaced, I don't know what sort of lies or bullshit the companies are telling the immigration folks, but it routinely works. So good idea in theory, but not in practice.

In any event, this open borders crap has got to go. It is not in the best interests of the American people.

 

Good for Abbott. Biden is bringing them here he can deal with them.

 

Take every single claim that person you are responding to offers up, with a giant grain of salt.

Most especially when he does not include a link.

 

Bus ticket out of Texas is the cheapest option for Texans since deportation is off the table. Nice try trying to paint this as 'xenophobia', but the simple fact is a lot of people come here for govt freebies and a lot of people think theres better things to spend their taxes on. So sending em to where people want more of their taxes to be spent supporting economic migrants makes sense.

Why does it sound like 'everybodys happy' except for you? Its not often a politician comes up with an idea that makes 'everybody happy.' Shouldn't Abbot be applauded for such a wildy popular move?

 

Ah, the law. The law also says that you must have the required documents needed to enter the United States via land, sea, or air based upon their citizenship or place of residence. Then you can ask for asylum. The law also says that you must cross the border at a port of entry, where you can then ask for asylum.

 

It's funny how so many enter illegally and never ask for asylum, until being caught somewhere in the United States some years later.

It's almost like they knew they did not have a valid asylum claim to begin with!

 

So Golem, you praise POLITICIANS yet again for what they do. Right, left, whatever. You and I disagree on my most important topic: POLITICIANS ruin everything. Go ahead and spin all you want. I stand by my statement: POLITICIANS wreck everything they touch.

 

So Golem, your currently elected president has done nothing for the tax paying citizens of this country, and you reward them by defending/reelecting them. Common sense states that by your own logic: your wife cheats on you, that you reward her with a new car? House?

 

Democrats destroying this nation one immigrant at a time.