BREAKING: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v. Wade, According to Draft Majority Opinion

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  1. The Verb

    The Verb Active Member

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    I don't mind that they call themselves pro-choicers so long as they eventually realize their choice took someone else's away and it was an incredibly selfish thing to do, and that was the least of the problems with it.
     
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  2. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Hence the need for abortions, when contraceptives fail.
    Nothing dumber than carring to term with no intention of being a parent. Especially if you can't afford it.
    And nothing worse for society than an unwanted child, they are the ones shooting up places and making it tougher for legal carry citizens.
     
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  3. Bob0627

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    You are 100% correct. In fact there's nothing in the Constitution that gives anyone any rights whatsoever because nothing and certainly no piece of paper can grant anyone any rights. Rights are inherent at birth, they cannot be granted. The founders made that quite clear in our founding document, the Declaration of Independence. You should read it sometime, it might enlighten you. That said, the Bill of Rights protects ALL rights. They are protected from being violated by government and others. The first 8 Amendments PROTECT specific (enumerated) rights and the 9th Amendment PROTECTS all other (unenumerated) rights. As such, the 9th Amendment protects the fundamental right of a woman to have an abortion.

    If you understood rights you would know all the above. The reason why the right to an abortion is fundamental is because it goes to the heart of the meaning of rights. Rights are derived from property. Without property there is no such thing as rights. The very first piece of property every single person owns at the MOMENT OF BIRTH is their body. So a woman has every right to do as she wishes with her body (which includes everything within it) at all times from the moment she is born until she dies. And government is prohibited by the Constitution to violate her rights, all of them.
     
  4. The Verb

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    Which is hardly ever and no need to kill at any time, but that hasn't been taken away is it? Need to get out of the in-the-moment-instant-gratification ideology and into more responsible thinking.
     
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  5. Daniel Light

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    You realize that only about 20% of rapes are reported - so we have no way of actually knowing how many abortions are related to rape. But hey, you
    can't personally get pregnant after being raped, so it doesn't matter.

    WTF, people.
     
  6. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Using government force to impose beliefs onto others is what is dangerous. Your party wanted more government control over our choices. Enjoy!

    This reminds me of the youtube video where the cat hisses at its own reflection.
     
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  7. Daniel Light

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    Now Republicans can have trying to put together laws that outlaw all abortions ... they will find out that it was tried before in this country
    and was a legal failure ... and was basically a political minefield .. but have fun putting raped teenagers in jail for seeking abortions.
     
  8. The Verb

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    Abortions are not overturned universally. Did you miss that? Even though I still am not in support of murder, the provisions are still there. It's the irresponsible ones that are the biggest crime and those are in the majority, unfortunately.

    I thought men can have babies now? At least that's what the left are constantly ramming into children's minds, aren't they?
     
  9. The Verb

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    Ridiculous.
     
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    It will outlaw abortion in several state immediately
     
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    The ignorance in this claim is shocking.
     
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  12. Vernan89188

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    Not in red states. And according to some here there is about to be a huge crimson wave isn't that right?
    And the reds in this country view Abortian as murder. So how is that not a valid speculation?
     
  13. FAW

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    While I too am pro-abortion, the explanation above is NOTHING like what the Roe v Wade ruling actually said. It would be great for the whole "womans choice" marketing push if that were what was said, but it is not.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You did not say in red states. If you had, I would not have bothered to repsond.

    In states where it was not legal, there is this thing called a car where someone can drive across the state line to have a legal abortion. The poor could easily be subsidized for a free bus ride.
     
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    Now , THAT is ignorant.
     
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    Where did they leak come from? Alito would make the most sense.[/QUOTE]
    I have no desire to jump to conclusions. Let's wait for evidence, first of which, is establish that it's even an authentic leak. When I see blind sourcing, I often wonder if it wasn't made up. But, there have been past authentic leaks, and judging from some of the editorials, several news organizations had this, but only Politico chose to run it.
     
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    I mostly agree with that, but, I believe Texas has criminalized any assistance to a birthing person crossing state lines to secure an abortion.
     
  18. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so?
     
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    No one is going to jail women who have been raped.

    And you damned well know it.

    The "raped women not allowed to get abortions" is one of the hysterics the pro choicers love to trot out.
     
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  20. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is simply not true.

    What you are suggesting is that someone in Texas could be tried for a "crime" or civil infraction committed elsewhere. Our justice system does not work like that. If someone is out there pushing that particular bit of fear-mongering, it most certainly will not be from a reputable source, but I could certainly picture some Democrat somewhere trying to push that misnomer.
     
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  21. Kal'Stang

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    Bold: Ya kinda messed up when you referenced the DoI.

    From the Declaration of Independence: LINK: Text of the Declaration of Independence | Declaration Resources Project (harvard.edu)

    Notice that the very first unalienable Right they talk about is LIFE. Abortion is the opposite of Life. Sorry, but you're not going to find the Founders being very supportive of abortion.

    Indeed, one of the signatories to the DoI and later the US Constitution, and one of the first SCOTUS Justices James Wilson wrote:

    LINK: Collected Works of James Wilson, vol. 2 | Online Library of Liberty (libertyfund.org)

    Sorry, but you chose the wrong thing to try and reference as showing that there is a Right to an Abortion. There isn't. And we can see this by what our FF's wrote about and taught about.
     
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    I am not "pro-abortion", you misinterpreted my position. I firmly support rights and that includes the right of every human being to decide what they wish to do or not with their body. I could care less about SCOTUS, many of their decisions are unconstitutional and their reasoning behind those decisions is often made from whole cloth. They went rogue in 1803 (Marbury v Madison) when they granted themselves the power to "interpret" the Constitution in violation of Article III. That is not to say they always get it wrong but it is to say I personally have zero respect for that entity.
     
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    Are you saying that in your mind the Supreme Court should not have the power to interpret the Constitution?
     
  24. Vernan89188

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    An intruder has always been a valid reason to kill in my opinion. It's a person's right to change their mind about who they invite into their body.
    I don't belive the right when they claim BP (Birthing person) rights won't be taken away.
     
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    Because that option is not available for a majority of woman that require abortion services.
     

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