Finland’s leaders call for NATO membership ‘without delay’

The words, 'without delay' are wishful thinking.

Acceptance into the NATO nations requires that all NATO nations agree. Turkey will, almost certainly, put a hold on the applications of both Sweden and Finland. Then, the bargaining will begin. It may well take quite a while. It's an example of a nation acting in its own interest as opposed to acting in the interest of the group.

This poor old country mouse is content to watch the action unfold during the summer and, quite possibly, beyond.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

Turkey will try to bilk everything they can from the situation, and some GOP isolationist Senators might also try to prolong the decision.

If the application is rejected because of Turkey, then will Russia to punish FIN/SWE for trying to join? Its possible.

 

Hi, Pro_Line_FL,

Russia has, reportedly, already cut off electric supplies to Finland. Turkey, once the rest of the NATO nations agree to distancing themselves from the Kurds through diplomatic lingo, will probably change from 'Nay' to 'Yay'. That's a guess on my part, but I believe the great god Probability will not treat it unkindly.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

I’ve seen Turkish demands and they are not unreasonable. I’m pretty sure they will find some compromise.

 

I think Erdogan has more problems with Kurdish separatism than with the actual ethnicity of Kurds. As long as Erdogan doesn’t commit some atrocities, this really is their internal issue. Also, Turkey is our ally and sits on some important piece of real estate - encouraging separatism in an ally nation is literally shooting self in a foot.

 

Apparently Turkey is now asking Sweden to return people who fled Turkey and were granted asylum in Sweden. Turkey considers them terrorists, and no doubt they'd be treated very badly, maybe even tortured, if they return to Turkey, so I don't' see Sweden agreeing to that. Turkey can destroy the deal by making unreasonable demands.

Demanding the return of those people is unreasonable.

 

The Turks are stalling for now....I'm sure they'll compromise.

How will Russkis punish them.....you'll need a military for that and theirs is being destroyed at the moment.

 

By any means possible. Russia is hurting in Ukraine, but they can mobilize a heck of a lot more people if they really want. How important is it for them to punish Finland? Probably not very important.

 

The demands that I saw listed - condemnation of Kurdish Union party, no ability for Kurds to run for office, lifting restrictions on weapons sales. While Turkey does not trade that much with those countries, lifting these restrictions would open the door to lifting other restrictions with other countries.
If these are the only demands, then I do think that they are reasonable.

 

No, they want the return of those people, so they can torture their asses.

Turkey's Erdogan links Sweden NATO bid to return of 'terrorists'
https://www.reuters.com/world/erdog...nd-turkeys-security-sensitivities-2022-05-18/
ANKARA, May 18 (Reuters) - President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday Sweden should not expect Turkey to approve its NATO bid without returning "terrorists", and Swedish and Finnish delegations should not come to Turkey to convince it to back their membershipin the alliance.

Ankara says Sweden and Finland harbour people it says are linked to groups it deems terrorists, namely the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militant group and followers of Fethullah Gulen, whom Ankara accuses of orchestrating a 2016 coup attempt.

 

Oh, I see.
I think they’ll come up with some compromise. They could move those people to some other country to settle the issue.

 

Go ahead....it'll be just to Russias detriment.....sanctions will continue to bite deeper.....and by the looks of it ...it's working and won't be removed anytime soon.

They can mobilize....but who will actually fight.Its not USSR where there was unlimited cannon fodder.

 

Good. **** NATO

 

Hi Bill...how's your investment.

 

I'm gonna give you an update real soon big boy, be patient.

 

Moral of the story....don't invest in the Mafia.

 

I'll try to reply, first, by acknowledging that several of Russia's grievances were quite legitimate! Evidence abounds that Kiev had harshly oppressed the ethnic Russians in the Donbas provinces for years, and it is also very obvious that neither the Ukraine government nor the signatories to the Minsk Agreement(s) ever fulfilled their obligations. Believe it or not, there's still a lot of people who have no idea what these agreements are/were, and so here's a wiki 'sketch': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

Next, many (including myself) would have considered it strategically brilliant if after encouraging separatist governments in Donetsk and Luhansk, Putin had simply sent the Russian military into those two breakaway provinces (at their 'invitation', of course). He would have portrayed himself as the 'protector' of the ethnic Russians seeking to be free from Kiev's oppression, and just a 'squabble' between Soviet-era 'cousins'. Kiev and the Ukrainian oligarchs would have done NOTHING. They would have bitched and complained, but done NOTHING....

But -- look at what Putin did next! How was any of THAT justified? Had Ukraine joined the EU? Had Ukraine even applied for membership in NATO? Had Ukraine done anything (ANYTHING) to piss Russia off on Russian soil...?

Lastly, you go on and on about "Nazis" in a rant that could have been written by the 'spinners' at Sputnik. But, it's tempting simply to point out that what Putin has done in Ukraine is very (VERY) reminiscent of what Hitler did to the Soviet Union during World War II. Here's a meme for you, Bill -- "NAZI IS AS NAZI DOES!"

As we say 'down South', Mr. Putin has "stepped in sh*t and tracked it all over his house". Sweden and Finland will join NATO (after everybody agrees to allow Erdogan to kill more Kurds). The next move after that will be Putin's -- and he'd better give it a LOT more thought than he used in creating this Ukraine debacle....

 

They have 2 million man reserve, and Putin approval among Russians is sky high, so I think they would fight.

 

Turkey says no. Dunno if that's a good thing or a bad thing. If they get approved...the shithead running Russia will CLEARLY react. Saying no leaves them vulnerable in the future. They will likely put way more investment into arming themselves. Might even form a pack with each other to insure protection against future Russian aggression? Who knows.

Every outcome will have a reaction of events.

 

Don't bother.....I'm sure you were cleaned out.

Send your grievances to 1600 Pennsylvania.

 

Sky high approval in Russki media.....I think we all know those #s are dubious.Some may fight....others will find a way around it.

 

There's no offramps or diplomatic solutions here....the Mafia closed the door on this back in Feb. This is his European "tour".....it's victory or death.

 

We may be looking past Putin....to the next Russki president...as to what his next move may be....if rumors have any merit...Dwarfstans cancer seems to be an issue.

 

Turkey has officially blocked SWE/FIN membership. No doubt they are dancing to the tune of Russian music

Erdoğan blocks Nato accession talks with Sweden and Finland
https://www.ft.com/content/3d1ab5d0-19a6-41bd-83a4-7c7b9e2be141
Turkey has blocked Nato’s initial decision to process requests by Finland and Sweden to join the military alliance, throwing into doubt the hopes for a quick accession of the two Nordic countries.

Nato ambassadors met on Wednesday with the aim of opening accession talks on the same day that Finland and Sweden submitted their applications but Ankara’s opposition stopped any vote, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter.

The postponement raises doubt that Nato will be able to approve the first stage of Finland’s and Sweden’s applications within one or two weeks, as secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg indicated. It also sets the stage for several days of intense diplomacy between the US, Turkey, Finland and Sweden over the issue.

 

It's all stalling for now....compromises will be reached....$$$$ exchanged....an agreement reached.