Uvalde shooting investigation focuses on police response

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  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    NJ cops retire in record numbers
    https://www.police1.com/police-jobs...ps-retire-in-record-numbers-Ip9HHS7u6B7jRuxT/

    Police Say Demoralized Officers Are Quitting In Droves.
    https://www.themarshallproject.org/...ers-are-quitting-in-droves-labor-data-says-no

    Cops Say Low Morale And Department Scrutiny Are Driving Them Away From The Job
    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009...t-scrutiny-are-driving-them-away-from-the-job

    Chicago police retirements this year already top all of 2018, could end up among highest ever
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-h...ent-retirements-soar-ray-lopez-john-catanzara

    NYPD experiences 75 percent increase in departures and retirements
    https://www.yahoo.com/video/nypd-experiences-75-percent-increase-172356200.html

    Police retirements surged after George Floyd killing, data finds
    https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/police-retirements-surged-after-george-floyd-killing-data/

    You were saying something about my argument falls apart because cops aren't quitting their jobs?
    You should get out more
     
  2. MJ Davies

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    Where did you hear or see that?

    It also doesn't make sense because the shooter posted about attacking that school. How would he know the door would be propped open that day around that time?

    It sounds like police department spin.
     
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    Well, your first article states that retirements in the public sector were up all across the board, not just for police. And your second link, you left out an important part of the title..."
    Police Say Demoralized Officers Are Quitting In Droves. Labor Data Says No.

    So, why were the cops in Uvalde afraid to help citizens who back the blue? Were they afraid some liberal from California would sue them? What policies in Texas is causing these officers to let kids die?
     
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  4. Condor060

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    There are only a few hundred links of cops quitting in historical numbers no matter how much you try and dispute it.
    Which is why you didn't bother to quote all the articles. lol

    The radical left has made every cop out their gun shy.
     
  5. omni

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    I didn't bother to considering you misrepresented the title of one of your articles. So do you think these officers in Udalve were afraid liberals in California would sue them? What did these citizens who back the blue in Texas do to deserve being forced to watch their kids die? What should they tell those parents?

    "You have all supported us, but those libbies in California and New York forced us too."
     
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    If only that teacher had been armed...
    No wait, it's morons with guns that cause the problem in the first place.
     
  7. SiNNiK

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    That teacher indeed was in the perfect position to intercept the gunman. Would have saved 19 kids had they been successful.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Except to get rid of the guns in the first place

    You can't shoot someone with a gun that isn't there.
     
  9. SiNNiK

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    If all the guns disappeared thus instant, there'd be more tomorrow. And this time only the crooks have them.
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Bullshirt. All illegal guns began as legal ones. The infamous "zip" and printed guns are conspicuous by their absence in any listing of confiscated weapons. They aren't needed, they're ubiquitous everywhere.

    Guns are not magical objects. They don't appear without cause or origin and they are not ineradicable once they are there. Stop trying to push the argument that you somehow CAN shoot someone with a gun that isn't there
     
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  11. Kal'Stang

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    Man....you sure are pushing these dead kids in order to push your agenda for all you're worth aren't you?

    The only part of your "plan" that I agree with is that we can reduce these things. But you won't even consider real plans until you get your gun grabbing done first.

    NOT going to happen. Unless you want an actual civil war to happen. And it will.
     
  12. SiNNiK

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    It's not magic, it's called smuggling.
     
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    Absolutely, let's get the facts rather than by any "Hands up, don't shoot" garbage.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And that is illegal and illegal things can be ended.

    The problem we have with guns is that while some of them are used mainly to do illegal things they themselves are overwhelmingly legal, that imbalance should be addressed.
     
  15. Arkanis

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    The police are trained in self-defense.

    And they apply their techniques daily.

    But for you a civilian with a gun would have done a better job in front of a madman with an AR-15.
     
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    Interesting list.
    Can I ask you about the ‘never spank a child’ bit?
    What happens if the child hits the adult back?
     
  17. Arkanis

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    I imagine you've often been in a situation where you've been shot at.

    And when that happens to you, you have the presence of mind not to run away, to face an aggressor who is completely crazy and better armed than you.
     
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    Yeah right.
    Blame a victim.
     
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    Can't stop them from coming over. Can't even stop something as big as an adult human. The crooks will have smuggled more into the US before the day is over.
     
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    It's called training.
     
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    Did this town defund police? Based on the video footage there were quite a few of them at the scene, and based on what I have read, this town spends more on policing than anything else (40% on policing). IN the end, a federal agent took down the shooter while the local LE stood around doing nothing. Will they defund now, and resort to vigilante policing? Its possible.

    Its cowardice or incompetence.....or following orders. I'm guessing they were ordered to wait, which would still be cops fault, but at a higher level. They need to look into the protocols for these kinds of situations, and figure out who drafted them.

    Ultimately its these guys. They are the top-cops in Texas. They are blaming the teachers.

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    Now we're back to the 2A.
     
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    The average is more than 1 mass shooting a day. If we count only school shootings, there have been 27 just this year. The poster I responded to listed 21 instances of some lives (not mass shootings avoided) dating all the way back to 1991.
     
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    How many resigned in this place due to liberal policies, and what were those policies? Was 40% of all tax revenue dedicated to cops not enough for them?

    Talk about partisan blame shifting...........LOL.

    You destroyed your own credibility.
     
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    This:

    Results are presented as incident rate ratios in Table 2 and show armed guards were not associated with significant reduction in rates of injuries; in fact, controlling for the aforementioned factors of location and school characteristics, the rate of deaths was 2.83 times greater in schools with an armed guard present (incidence rate ratio, 2.96; 95% CI = 1.43-6.13; P = .003).
     
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