Uvalde shooting investigation focuses on police response

That is probably due to the fact that schools with armed guards are typically larger and with history of violence (like gang violence).

 

Bingo!

And, BTW, same thing happened at Virginia Tech. There were also people with guns there, and they made no attempt to stop the shooter. In fact, the number of cases in which somebody with a gun stops a shooter is so extremely rare that a poster tried to find cases, and he had to go back to 1991 to find a couple of dozen. And even in most of those, the shootings were stopped only after many people had already been killed.

 

What you did was undermine your own case. You show 24 mass shooting were somebody with a gun ... maybe... saved some lives... but were not altogether adverted. You had to go back to 1991 to find 24. Compare that to 212 mass shooting in 2022 as of the day of the Uvalde shooting. There have been 27 school shooting this year alone!
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/24/1101050970/2022-school-shootings-so-far

You always end up proving my point without even knowing it.

 

Yes! I am most definitely pushing my "agenda" to keep as many kids as possible from dying. I see Tucker Carlson has been pushing his to do the opposite.

 

That teacher was a victim? Or, did that teacher survive? Either way, the teacher ****ed up and gave, literally, the shooter an open door to attack.

 

To be fair, we should also consider it possible that schools that deem it necessary to have an armed guard might be in areas more prone to having shootings. However, the point remains that having an armed guard was of no help. We just need to make it harder to obtain guns.

 

How many were "mass shootings"?

 

Yes. I mentioned that in my response to another poster.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...police-response.600133/page-3#post-1073480602

But the point is that the armed guard is of little... or NO help. Making guns more difficult to obtain would be much more effective.

 

Morons with guns cause the problem. Smart, courageous goods cause solve problems. So, you're half right.

Labeling everyone who owns a gun a moron probably isn't going to sell too good. Are the members of Biden's security detail morons?

 

And gun lobbyists, pro-gun politicians, gun sellers and manufacturers, and the NRA gave him a gun to shoot. Did they **** up?

 

There's video of the shooter walking through an open/unlocked door.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/...ed-through-apparently-unlocked-door-dps-says/

 

And the police, who are supposed to stop him, dropped the ball. Did they **** up?

 

The only people you would be effecting are the law abiding. Why?

 

Why do you continue with this fairy tail? Yes, if no one has a gun, no one will get shot. Also, if no one is a killer, no one will get killed. If no one drives a car, no one will die in a car crash. If no one is depressed, no one will kill themselves. If no one gets cancer, no one will die from cancer.

 

Yes, and if every school had one, the shooters would know to take them out first, which should not be too hard.

 

And using these dead kids as your pawns. GOOD JOB!!!

As for Tucker...why'd you bring him up? If you hate him so much then why on earth do you continue to watch him? I certainly don't watch him. And I don't care about him one way or the other.

 

Many gun banners don't get the concept that you're speaking about. Takes too much brain power. As such they think its a legitimate argument.

 

Indeed, it seems the crux of the matter. It was one of the Founding Father's more serious mistakes. It was poorly written and unnecessary even in its time, a relic of how much geography affected life back then coupled with the fact that there was so much animosity to the idea of a standing army. Both those things have changed very much since the time of the Revolution.

 

The main reason for the 2nd Amendment has not changed. Self Defense.

 

Thanks for the link. He didn't act alone. He couldn't have.


1. Why did the teacher prop the door open to go retrieve a cell phone? A door propped open is not the same as an unlocked door so one of those versions is false.

2. A door propped open is easy to see. It's impossible to know if a door is locked if it's closed. How did he know which door to try?

3. Had the teacher not propped the door, what would be the process for her to get back into the building? It seems like there would be front office staff or cameras.

4. I haven't seen a blueprint of the school but it's difficult to imagine a scenario in which a kid (who is clearly not a student) carry that much weaponry had to have been seen.

5. The police waiting for orders to go in might suggest someone in law enforcement was involved as well. They can't go in blind, but they can't not go in while he's popping off kids.

6. He was a high school dropout and went to live with his grandparents. Where did he get the money to buy weapons and ammunition which he started procuring two days after his 18th birthday?

7. His grandfather also stated that he wasn't aware the shooter could drive. Who taught him how to drive?

8. The grandfather stated that he would have reported the weapons had he known about them because of something in his own past that prevents him from having weapons in his home. That might be a total lie. He can't admit now that he knew or suspected about the weapons because he did NOT report them so that piece would look the same no matter what version is true.

9. Why was the armed guard who is typically there NOT there or not available immediately? Where was he or she? Did the shooter know this person was not available? If so, how?


I'm not really a conspiracy theorist but this doesn't add up.

 

Much more effective would be people like you moving to countries that share your values rather than you attempting to use government force to force your values on an unwilling armed citizenry at the point of a government gun. In the end, this issue will be settled with raw power.... not your prattling. This is the thin red line for tens of millions of armed Americans. No gun owner I know will ever give up their guns. You can pass all the unconstitutional laws you like..... in the end it will come down to how many citizens are you willing to kill to enforce them. 1,000? 10,000? 1,000,000? 10,000,000? Tell us Golem, how many Americans are you willing to murder to ensure that only the government has weaponry? Give us your number.

 

WHY did they even go out? Why didn't the teacher just call 911 and watch the scene unfold? This story doesn't make sense from this point on.

 

At the very beginning this is the start of the cluster****. That teacher knows who he/she is and knows that door being open was the lynchpin for this. Had the door been closed this idiot would have been exposed and this whole thing would have been a different story.

I'll wager any number that you have also seen the media, in our days in print, completely get a story backwards in the way only a child could. I can remember seeing my name in the article and the date and those were the only accurate parts of the whole thing. I still believe, as I stated when this all jumped off, that the WC was the **** up on the response side of all of this.

 

As you know, I don't watch television. I have had some horrible experiences in my life and have had people tell me they were untrue so there is no reason for me to trust any "official story" for anything.

I haven't heard anything about a motive but there has to be because he didn't go back to the high school where he dropped out. He targeted that specific elementary school.

Did somebody hurt him as a kid?
Did something traumatize him to get "stuck" in that mental age?
Teenagers aren't any more likely to be able to defend themselves against a gunman so it can't just be because the little kids were easier targets.
We'll probably never hear about those purchases but somebody had to be giving him money for something. Who bankrolled this whole thing?​

But, the problem here is too many lined up too easily. A "mistakenly" unlocked door, missing armed security guard, hallways are a ghost town so nobody saw this guy with weapons, etc.. It's too "neat".

 

That's true but on the other hand, the pro-arming teacher/security crowd state that if the potential shooter knows that there will be any armed staff then they would choose a softer target (1). Your link shows that they do not choose softer targets. Practically all school shooters choose the school they know, whether armed staff or not

(1) (unless of course the shooter has already chosen a person he/she wants to kill and not killing randomly)