Tulsa police: Multiple people shot at medical building

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  1. Overitall

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    Perhaps I confused you with someone else or a different comment you made. I have no disagreement with that statement.
     
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    my best friend of over 40 years, a 2 purple heart vet recently committed suicide due his inability to get proper medical attention for his chronic/acute pain caused by agent orange. It was heartbreaking seeing him deteriorate due to the constant pain and lack of sleep. He finally used the only available medicine he had at his disposal to rid himself of the pain and ate a 45 slug.
     
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    Listen! Liberals, the Horse has run out of the Barn DECADES! ago and nothing you're going to do is going to get LEGAL! guns out of the hands of responsible legal Gun owners hands that want to protect themselves in the Defund the Police society you've created. Want to try and make a dent in the Mass Shooting epidemic, start getting serious about locking up and prosecuting Criminals in possession of Illegal Guns and KEEP! them in Prison, but you guys won't. I'm like a all seeing, ALL KNOWING! future teller, Soon! there will be another Mass shooting and all you LIberals will be Screaming and Crying for Gun control, BUT! at the same time you'll keep supporting law makers and Politicians that support releasing these Monsters back onto the streets to continue victimizing law abiding citizens. Keep your Fake Outrage to yourselves, because it's all a bunch of Bullshit and were not believing you serious about Gun crime in the slightest.
     
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  4. Overitall

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    1. The mentally ill, in most cases, do not have the ability to recognize the rights of others. I would argue that anyone taking the life of another human being is suffering from some form of mental illness. Sane people don't kill people unless it's out of self defense.

    2. You recognize a right to survival in the need for food. Taking someone else's food through force or theft nullifies that viewpoint. That person also has a right to survival, but through your actions you don't respect theirs. You should negotiate a way to be fed -- work or trade.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    these mass shootings are not a stereo typical mental illness for the most part, it leans more to the desperation side, closer to mentally disturbed. Something happens in their lives and they go over the edge.
     
  6. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    That's the moronic **** I'm referring to...lol
     
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    If you choose not to shove the deaths of kids by car accident, poisons, and other manners you're just being disingenuous. Good news! Guns are going nowhere and there is nothing you can do about it but shut your cage and live with whatever tyranny your gov CHOOSES to put on you. You only care about the deaths that suit your political narrative. Congrats!
     
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    Yet, we know these "rights" are very often impossible to exercise in various circumstances. They are indeed denied to a person by others.
     
  9. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure how you're differentiating between the two. The psychological is just another side of the chemical.
     
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    Those that are pro-felon Left, while anti-GOP, immediately gin up after a shooting and push disarming the GOP while ensuring that armed felons are undisturbed.

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    Why is it moronic? Looks like standard legal practice to me.
     
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    Exactly the point. So how do we figure out who gets to force his position on whom?
     
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    Yeah, it's not hard to figure out the left's silly games when they push their false narratives and echo chamber babble. It's all about obtaining more power while attracting voters.
     
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    No, it isn't. Not anywhere in our legal system is that standard.
     
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    Equity, Who's hurting who? Who's being damaged?
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No? Read up on typhoid and milk sometime.
     
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    And who decides "equity"?

    This position is Radical Libertarianism. We all know there are plenty of laws, and Aleksander Ukyanov supports them, that do not respect these individual rights to be left alone.

    Some things are obvious.
    But now think about police arresting someone, when they don't even know the exact reason for it, based on the person's name being on some arrest list.

    You're using vague overgeneralization.

    If you bothered to think, you'd know it is much more complicated than this.

    You, Aleksander Ukyanov, support all sorts of laws that are not obvious commonsense.
     
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    thats convenient, someone steals your gun and you get charged for the crime they commit, cant wait to see that one sighed into law! Same for cars?
    If you think americans dont have balls, Jan 6th is a leading indicator to the contrary
    Thats what happens when your rights have been usurped by the state and those sucking off the trough
    well a known long term pathology according to psychologists, imo they are mentally ill anytime their mental functions are impaired by some trauma happening in their life, be it self induced or otherwise.
     
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    Walmart checks everyones bag and receipts as they walk out the door, people blindly accept that prison planet approach. I dont and if they try to stop me I ask what reason, then I ask based on what probable cause which gets me the deer in the headlights stare, then I remind them I will sue if the forcibly hold me without a legitimate probable cause, and remind them they had the opportunity to watch what went on prior to that receipt becoming 'MY' personal property, therefore I will not subject myself or allow them to search me without a warrant. done.
     
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    That's not a good example. I would hardly call that a "prison planet" approach. (There are many other much better examples you could have made)

    If that's really the store's policy, then it's not really fully "your" property yet until you leave the store. I think we argued about this trivial point in another thread before.
     
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    Once they hand it to me the transaction is finished. They have the money I have the receipt. Its goes on my person, once on my person it requires a legal (iow a search warrant) to search me, sorry. That is in america.

    Its mass social training contrary to individual rights, I see it as a perfect example, train em from child forward to show their papers!
     
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    The fact is that other western countries got much stricter gun laws compared to the US, and their murder rate is nowhere near the amount of carnage that goes on in the US. Your idea now that it all doesn't matter and that criminals will find an other source, is unfounded.
     
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    Printing weapons is getting more common, period.
    While the fact is that the amount of carnage that went on in Australia has dropped significantly since they got strict gun laws. And the overal violent crime hasn't gone up to even dropped.

    It must be terrible hard to swallow that all western nations with strict gun laws, have the facts and figures backing up their superior policies.
     
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    They get their weapons from the US, by a freaking massive margin.
    We all know it. Your post is total bs.
     
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    That wasn’t the issue. The issue is do mentally ill have rights—not whether they can recognize others have rights or not.

    But who says I “should”? From an evolutionary perspective the clear answer is the strongest should have the right to the food. That is inarguably most beneficial to the species. Today a majority seem to prefer collective rights over individual rights. One could argue this shift to ensuring the “most” survive by working and trading as opposed to the “fittest” will eventually destroy the planet (as we know it).

    It’s accepted by most of society that I “should” get my food without taking it from another. But that’s just an illusion if you consider taxation and redistribution. We are as a society taking against other’s will and using it ourselves or giving it to third parties. It’s acceptable because a majority approve or at least tolerate it. So again a right is just subjective opinion of a majority, not an immutable authority.
     

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