Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jeannette

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    Ye and now europe is in hyper inflation and ppl are having to either heat or eat. You really want to live in debt and relative poverty to save zelensky and his circus act. Why is Ukraine so important as to send your own economy into oblivion?
     
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    That's why we've got their back.
    This afternoon, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced $1 billion in additional security assistance for Ukraine. This includes an authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to $350 million, as well as $650 million in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) funds.3 days ago

    $1 Billion in Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine
    https://www.defense.gov › Releases › Release › Article › 1...



    Breaking down the additional $1 billion in aid the U.S. is ...
    https://www.cbsnews.com › news › ukraine-american-ai...


    3 days ago — The Biden administration on Wednesday announced an additional $1 billion in U.S. security assistance to Ukraine, making a total of $5.6 ...


    Biden announces additional $1B in weapons, humanitarian ...
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    3 days ago — The United States will send more than $1 billion in weapons and humanitarian aid to Ukraine amid the country's ongoing war with Russia, ...

    'Ukraine will definitely win' says president on visit to Mykolaiv
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    2 hours ago — The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has said “Ukraine will definitely win” during a working trip to the southern city of Mykolaiv, ...
     
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    As Russia steadfastly grinds out a victory on the ground that will leave it in control of the Black Sea and will reveal the USA’s lost capacity to impose its will around the world.

    In other words, our Ukraine PSYOPS project “to weaken Russia” brought on an epochal shift in the balance of power to our enormous disadvantage. And this is on top of more than twenty years of US military fiascos by these inept clowns at the top, from Afghanistan, to Iraq, to North Africa, to Syria which demonstrated our reckless disregard for human life and a gross inability to carry out a single successful mission that was an actual winning strategy.

    This current aggregate failure by the s/elected Pedo-in-Chief and his display of total weakness leaves us vulnerable to Chinese aggression in the Pacific. There is even spooky chatter on the back channels now about China venturing to invade Australia, Japan, and the USA mainland.

    Yes, really.
     
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    The CIA is achieving what they want. Gosh, I feel so secure now. :blankstare:
     
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    I'm not ready to give any credibility to rumours of China invading Australia, Japan, and the USA but I am on board with the rest of it.
     
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    Russian warships have destroyed a command center with Kalibr cruise missiles, killing dozens of Ukrainian officers, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Sunday.

    “More than 50 generals and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed,” the statement said.

    According to the ministry, the strike took place near the village of Shirokaya Dacha in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Ukraine.

    The missiles hit the compound where commanders of several Ukrainian units had gathered for a meeting, the ministry said.

    The ministry added that Kalibr missiles were also used to destroy 10 M777 howitzers and up to 20 armored vehicles that were recently delivered from the West, and had been stored inside a factory building in the southern city of Nikolayev.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/557428-50-ukrainian-generals-officers-killed-russia/
     
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    If it's OK with you I'll await confirmation from other sources first. Same as I do with Ukrainian claims.
     
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    No, not really.

    (You might help your blatantly pro Moscow cause of you actually quoted verifiable facts and statistics from sources that have been proven to be mostly reliable in the past. But that's obviously a bridge to far for ... well whatever it is you are.)
     
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    How many times has Russia claimed to have destroyed Ukraine's airforce? I have lost count, but somehow they keep flying. Then there are those drones. Russian tech is so advanced it can destroy more drones than Ukraine actually has. Remarkable.

    Of course, we shouldn't expect any better from the same people who: flat out denied an invasion was imminent when it clearly was; claimed it couldn't be Russian foces because there is no Z in cyrillic; claim Russia only hits military targets while Ukraine deliberately shells its own cities; claimed months ago that Russia was now 'mopping up'; claim that all the bodies that keep turning up when areas are liberated from Russian control are put there by Ukraine; use propaganda videos from a guy who claims that a skeleton that has clearly already been autopsied is the 'victim of an IED'.
     
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    Prove it Jenny. State your facts and sources.

    Russia has an economy less than 10% the size of the EU's in total. Western Europe's population, are in general healthier, better educated and far more prosperous than their counterparts in Russia. Because these are all demonstrable facts, matters of record if you want. They are also the reasons millions of young, well Educated Russians are voting with their feet and leaving both Putin and Russia.

    Thanks to Putin, if Europe was an apartment block Russia would be the angry drunk that everyone else in the building does their best to avoid. And even his own children want nothing to do with him. Europe won't pick fights with the drunk mind you. They'll just ... do their best to ignore him and stay out of his way.

    That's Russia's destiny under Putin Jenny. The isolated, obnoxious drunk of Europe that everyone else does their best to avoid.

    The thing is NATO and the EU don't want to, need to and won't attack Russia, they have no reason to. To the extent they absolutely must trade with Russia they will, but no more than that. They'll maintain normal diplomatic relations but again no more than that. Russia will be kept 'outside' the various international clubs and institutions that the rest of the West mingles in. Oh to be sure if there's a emergency or natural disaster they'll extend exactly the same offers of assistance they'd extend to any other troubled neighbor, but again no more than that. And then after they've done what they can they'll turn their backs again.

    And Russia? It will just sit there in its filthy apartment, drinking itself into an early grave. Perhaps with a few desperate and equally pitiful hangers on like Syria coming over to 'party'. All the time cursing its neighbors and blaming them for all its troubles. Just like every other lost addict in recorded history.
     
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    Joe Biden will not be told about the strike. He's too busy sleeping. So likely you will never be told the story by "other sources."
     
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    It's doubtful the Russians have any idea where their missiles landed.
     
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    NATO is in for the long haul.

    upload_2022-6-19_9-34-31.png Reuters
    NATO warns of long Ukraine war as battles grind on
     
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    Without Russia, the whole world will turn into Washington's barnyard.
    This is the reality of a unipolar world.
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    NATO and the EU have already attacked Russia. Remember when they said the economic sanctions would bring Russia and Putin down? Regime change? And in addition to the sanctions, they armed and trained 35 battalions of literal nazis before the war started and now continue to arm and train their proxy to wage war against Russia.

    Russia doesn't care about being in the jerk off club. The vast majority of the world's population isn't in it either.
     
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    Nope.

    Nope.

    Russia and Ukraine both have fascists, but the fascists only run Russia. Oooops...

    Putin never had any intention of being part of the West. He's in the jerk on club..

    This is actually true, but they don't have Putin pissing in their face.
     
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    Sounds like EU membership would take too long:
     
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    She's yanking Putin's chain, hard.

    Putty is trying to intimidate the EU, she's threatening to up the ante in response.
     
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    It was never meant to end the war, but give the Ukraine a more positive outlook for its future.
    They first have to work of a rather lengthy catalog of reforms, some of them require changes to the constitution.
    It is in the best of times a 10 year process.
    But having a application excepted, will allow the EU to help manage the reforms and includes already certain trade advantages etc.
     
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    The jokes write themselves
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    In Russia, they are selling a limited edition vodka called "Zelensky Tears"
     
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    No one fears the Russians.

    upload_2022-6-19_18-45-5.png USA Today
    Ukraine live updates: Stoltenberg says Russian nuclear attack unlikely
     
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    China?
     
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    Don't know about the regime change, Putin is after all a despot but as for the sanctions? Patience, it's happening. It just takes time for the impact of bans on the export of western goods, spare parts & critical components to work their way through the economy.

    Using it's own published figures 6% of Russia's population has already fallen into poverty since the war started (and those figures are almost certainly 'rubbery'). Meanwhile the RCB has estimated a reduction in Russia's GDP of up to 15% by mid 2023. That's approaching Great Depression levels of economic hardship! And its all due to collapse of the consumer economy. Car sales are already down 80%, retail shops are closing and within the next 6 months factory lines that use critical Western components will start to break down for lack of spare parts.

    Same of civilian air travel, as of now the only way to keep planes in the air is to cannibalize others, just like Russia is doing now with it's tank reserves. It can't replace losses with new production quickly enough so it has to strip part's from tanks which have become serviceable whilst held in storage (most of them apparently) to bring others up to an operational standard. And even you would surely recognize that is , in the end a zero sum game. Don't worry though. The plane 'thing' isn't too much of an issue. By the end of 23 most Russians won't be able to afford to fly anyway. The tanks though?

    But don't worry the EU is suffering as well. Why the ECB has reduced it's growth forecast for the Zone's GDP down to just 2.3% for next year!

    Also I take it that if India fired a Russian missile into a target in Pakistan you'd claim Russia has declared war on Pakistan?

    QUOTE="Bill Carson, post: 1073523332, member: 98029"]Russia doesn't care about being in the jerk off club. The vast majority of the world's population isn't in it either.[/QUOTE]

    'Jerk Club'. Why that's exactly what a angry, bitter, socially isolated drunk (Russia) would say when confronted with the fact that no one else has time for him anymore! You nailed it in one! Perhaps Putin can invite his good mates Syria and North Korea over to Russia's smelly, vermin ridden apartment so they can all have a 'whinge fest' about how the rest world is against them.

    And yes most of the world is 'in it' or on the road there. All of Western Europe, most of South East Asia and South America, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan etc. Increasingly wealthy, democratic and able to sit down and table and work on solving issues with the rest of the 'club' like civilized adults.
     
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