Why Diversity is Killing Us

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  1. Kris P. Bacon

    Kris P. Bacon Newly Registered

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    I looked at rule 11 and as I wrote the op the source is me which is why there’s no link. The title reflects the content. The video’s back up the title. Instead of focusing on me, read it and watch the videos. If you don’t like it question the content instead of where it is. The content is happening now and isn’t my personal belief.
    Thank you for your welcome. :)
     
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    It doesn't scare white people. White people don't care. The prominent positions are dominated by white males because white males do what it takes to get put into those positions. When white women, black men, Asian women, etc. do what it takes, they are also put into those positions. If you wear your pants under your butt cheeks, cuss like a sailor, fight the police, etc., you aren't going to become the CEO of a large corporation.
     
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    Diversity of ideas and background is helpful. Diversity of culture is a powder-keg and always leads to trouble. And diversity for diversity sake is the dumbest thing imaginable…like equity. No one is equal and manufactured equality only creates division and bitterness. Equality also ignores math.
     
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    Where do you think diversity of ideas and background comes from?
    *hint* I underlined it for you.

    I know you thought you were sounding smart by saying that, but that's a statement of willful ignorance.
     
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    Diversity BUILT the US.
     
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    Unfortunately, what is being lauded as "diversity" is driven by stupidity. The idea that any organization is intrinsically better if it includes people of different races is placed above the concept that if will be better through competence. If that competence includes a variety of peoples, it does not matter if it is equal to populations or anything else- so long as they are competent and focused on the duties of the job. IF a person allows their nationality of color to influence that- they ARE NOT suited to the job, period. We are made better by the values and character we bring to the table, not the color or origin of the person. Race is neither a qualifier or disqualifier Unless the person thinks that it somehow grants them special privilege.

    The idea that we need no borders is like the idea we can't own property of any kind. The people of a nation own that nation, and it is up to them to consider allowing any outside person to join, Further, the privilege to join carries obligations of loyalty and contribution to the nation, and any not willing to voluntarily bring that are automatically disqualified to be citizens of a free country. IF we choose to share America with an immigrant, that immigrant accepts the obligation.

    Years ago, Teddy Roosevelt stated it very well:

    “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American …. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag …. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
     
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    So what is the demographic make up of your neighborhood?
     
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    It ended up where it did and it is what it is. I suspect more than one person would prefer it to be buried altogether. Yet in Europe we’ve had decades of open borders and the results have been horrific. Not just in one country, but every country that bought into the European Union’s multicultural experiment. Again, watch the op video’s, they’re documentaries, not beliefs. It’s what happens when liberalism goes to the extremes.
     
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    where it comes from is fine. If it's a crap culture, then they need to leave it. If a very smart person comes here with his family from Afganistan (for example) and bestows his intellegence and new ideas onto the rest of us, that's great. If he beats his wife and blows up the newspaper for insulting Muhammed, then he can go f*8k himself. We don't need that culture here.
     
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    So sorry, but that still smells like bullshit.
     
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    You better believe that's going to be about it.

    Care to place a wager that our friend is NOT attending mosque, or is a member of an archly conservative Chinese family, or was compelled into an arranged marriage with a stranger from the motherland?

    Pretty confident this is just the usual touristic 'appreciation' of the exotic brown folk and their spices and funny little ways.
     
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    All those conservative Christians, IOW?
     
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    Diversity today just means anything but white.

    A school that is 10% white would be called diverse by libos.
     
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    So anything other than white is enriching?

    You live in a black inner city neighborhood? May i suggest West Garfield park Chicago for enrichment. The murder rate there is over 200.
     
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    Oh, you come in here new and you got a message for liberals. Give me a break.

    I got some advice for you. Before you become a new member of any political forum, you ought to move in slowly, get to know everyone, toss your ideas out, little by litttle, before you decide throw your weight around, like this incredibly anemic manifesto you have foisted on this forum, because, though you probably don't know it, you have made yourself look really foolish. Hell, I waited a couple of years before I put out something like this and I spent months thinking it through, and it got a fairly good response, and those that didn't agree, the discourse was thoughtful. .

    So what is this, the white supremacist manifesto?

    You really haven't thought this through. To wit:

    No one is saying people are equal, that isn't what diversity means. I think the term you are looking for is Egalitarianism. What the egalitarian doctrine is saying is that people should have equal access to all that society has to offer, that people should be treated equally. Yeah, I know if you look it up it will say people are supposed to be equal, but what it means is people should be treated equally. This idea that people are equal, as in the same level of talent and ability, that's nonsense, the doctrine cannot mean that, because it's not true. no, it means treat people equally, give everyone equal opportunity.

    We are a diverse nation whether you like it or not.

    Even the Roman Empire was diverse.. The British Empire was diverse..

    Take a look at a country that is not diverse, and it it lags way behind America, and that is Russia.

    Methinks your premise is horse manure. And what are you talking about? When America added the southwest, what, you didn't get the memo? it was owned by Mexico, and surely, there must have been quite a few mexicans remaining when the US took it over, I mean, you look at just about every town and street, with Spanish Names, or Indigenous names. Oh, I guess the natives aren't diverse. Jeezus where do you come up with this crap/

    Earth is a diverse planet.

    Diversity exists everywhere in nature.

    So, there must be something good about it, or why does it exist?

    America is the strongest economy on earth, and it is diverse.

    Diversity is nature's plan.

    Get over it.
     
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  16. Kris P. Bacon

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    If you read the op again there’s a message for both liberals and republicans. And why not? I’m reality based and don’t join the partisan battles going on. Being new isn’t going to change my views.

    The thread was about the dangers of multiculturalism through socially engineered mass immigration, not the previously controlled immigration. It gives Europe as an example of what happens when you open the floodgates. The evidence is in the videos, your opinion doesn’t replace facts. Of course, the US doesn’t have it as bad as Europe as you have Mexican immigrants for which you can think yourselves lucky.

    America is in decline, I don’t know if you’ve noticed that. All empires rise and fall.
     
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    You were wrong from the first sentence.
    Diversité is not the idea that everyone is equal.diversity is quite sim0ly the présence of different éléments in the same space (and time).
    What you are talking about is the fundamental concept of the United Nations, the fundamental concept of your Constitution and therefore Bill of Rights and those of every other liberal western democracy.
    It is a statement of belief upon which nations can direct their own laws, provide à society free from discrimunation, oppression and tyranny, and slavery.
    You don't like it?
    You might prefer China where if you are not on the approved list, you end up in rééducation centres. Ask any Uighur.
    The concept of equality is an idéal. But it is perfectly évident what happens if you take your eye off that ball.
     
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    BTW Europe has done extremely well in the face of millions of immigrants landing on its shores.
    The problems arise from the residual bigotry of the indigenous population.
     
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    yep, those that belong to cults, gangs, ect... are not really diverse though most of the time and they are very tribal as you said
     
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    I think many miss the whole point of the thread, although it has certainly poked the liberal’s ant’s nest. :) Although focusing on what’s happening in Europe, it tells you what happens when hardcore left ideas are put into practice.

    Show me one, just one country in Europe that has forced diversity onto its populations with the new experiment of multiculturalism where it has worked. It’s why the world outside is keeping us at arms-length and many still can’t understand why.

    There was a time when populations cheered for multiculturalism. Where have the people in the train stations in Europe cheering for mass immigration gone? Where are the street demonstrations with banners stating ‘Immigrants welcome here.’ How are third-world cultures enriching modern 21st century societies?

    There is no colour blind cultureless utopia at the end of all this. What will come is authoritarianism to prevent western countries sliding into anarchy.

    What is happening now was predicted years ago by former dissidents that fled to the west and warned of the path we were going down. Bukovsky in the first op video is only one of several. After decades of European Union propaganda (EUSSR), facts are now ignored and beliefs take their place.

    One thing I learned many years ago is you don’t debate with the indoctrinated. You’re wasting your time and any facts presented will be ignored in place of beliefs. Say what you’ve got to say, present the evidence and move on? :wink:
     
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    in the corporate world, it means hire from India... foreign outsourcing = diversity
     
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    OP: I don't have issues with diversity. I'm against mass immigration and don't see the necessity for it. I feel overall that the work cultures and tolerance of some of the immigrants has lessened the further away from the European ambit we go. I can see how it worked in the past but currently I think we're better off building nations from the outside combined with modest immigration. I don't think you can apply a successful model for a country to different cultures like an instant stamp. It takes time. Particular European cultures with old established ways.

    You need to bring them in batches, wait until they assimilate in a way that is desirable for everyone, then bring in more. Success needs to be assessed in an honest way. I have predominantly done psychology work at diverse schools. Overall I'm in favour of immigration and I love seeing young immigrants thrive in Australia, as much as I hate seeing them go off the rails and bring undesirable traits when we bring in more than we can manage.
     
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    There is truth in the saying that we’re all immigrants from somewhere. Yet the majority of us are products of western culture and we enjoy our freedoms because of it. An open door policy dilutes those freedoms as we compete with other cultures and sub-cultures gain dominance.

    Liberal thought initially centered on the idea that multiculturalism would make people forget their own cultures and embrace democracy. A few did and a few didn’t. The Americans also found that out recently in Afghanistan and the Middle-East as they tried to bring democracy there. It didn’t work.

    For some reason, the case of Major Nidal Malik Hasan back in 2013, an American military psychiatrist, springs to mind. Born in the US and a Muslim, he turned his gun on fellow soldiers shouting “Allahu akbar!” He was successful and had everything to live for and threw it all away. That’s how powerful cultural beliefs are and sometimes they don’t re-surface for a long time.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nidal-hasan-sentenced-to-death-for-fort-hood-shooting-rampage/2013/08/28/aad28de2-0ffa-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html

    Despite the idea that all cultures are equal, we now live in voluntary segregated societies. We have our black ‘communities’, Muslim, gay … How many gays or Jews live in Muslim communities? Some of these so-called ‘communities’ are simply different, others are not no-go areas in the literal sense, but they’re don’t go areas.

    Despite the politicians telling us we’re all the same, we don’t mix. Politicians who tell us we do don’t live in so-called multicultural communities either. Multiculturalism is a failed lesson in indoctrinated stupidity.
     
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    You might start to debate with those who actually expérience your myth.
    Germany not only invited immigrants in but has integrated them very successfully.
    In fact most EU countries have largely processed and settled millions of immigrants, starting with those from African tyrants like Idi Amin, through the tsunami of Indian and Pakistani migrants principally to the UK and who are now integrated into popular culture, sport, music, food and employment.
    FYI curry is now the most popular food in the UK.
    Sweden, Switzerland and Lithuanua have managed their substantial migrant population with à minimum of problems. Spain has managed its huge influx of Brits.
    No it isn't perfect. Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
    Europe struggled to cope at the height of the migrant crisis but worked it out with the willingness and compromise of 27 countries, while also respecting each one's sovereignty to handle it their own way. But they kept their eye on the same ball.
    You could learn from the process.
    I don't know what garbage you are listening to, but garbage it is.
     
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    No. This post is an example of that.
    No one thought that othervcultures would encourage their belief in democracy.
    Their belief in democracy and their lack of having it is what made them migrants!
    And it is disingenuous to use a terrorist to characteristic migrants. In fact doing that is shocking.
    As for segregated societies, that has always been the case from your Chinatown to ancient Jewish quartiers to Italian quarters to à concentrate Norwegian population in the Northern states starting with North Dakota and into Montana.
    Why shouldn't people want to share their own cultures easily without having to explain it?
    No multiculturalist expects minorities to blend seamlessly like mixing paint.
    They instead want to celebrate orher cultures in an openly shared expérience. And they want the same human rights for minorities as for the "home team".
    What ever happened to your Christian instruction to love your neighbour as yourself?
    Or do they have to be white, love fast food and have an American accent?

    All your proposals are straight out of heavily right wing nationalist propaganda.
    They are aimed at creating division and dissent.
    Is this what your Christian thought leads yo to?
     
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