Hmmm....a teacher shortage crisis

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  1. LangleyMan

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    They're not unions—they can't strike, work-to-rule or take any job action. My district had an association teachers voted more than 99% in a secret, monitored vote to turn into a union.
    I was a table officer of the association and the union. I was head of bargaining and wrote a good portion of the initial contract. I'm telling you unions and associations are not the same.
    That was the opening dogwhistle of the types promoting the lie schools are teaching Marxist CRT. The liars never took it back.
    Yeah, sure—a teachers' union table officer, head of bargaining, 30+ years of teaching, a history instructor (among other subjects taught) is not "well informed."
    Ethnic studies are not teaching CRT.
    Do you even know what CRT is? At heart, it's a Marxist explanation of systemic racism.

    Systemic racism is real, but Marxism doesn't explain why it continues.
    I can see you're determined to continue promoting the lie schools teach Marxist CRT.
    Teachers aren't quitting in big numbers yet. They are staying out of the profession, however.

    This from the DeSantis' Florida Department of education...

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    I do. Teachers would never agree to teach Marxist theory. I would have forced the school district to fire me before I would have endorsed Marxism.
    You're repeating the lie teachers are endorsing Marxist theory. Ugh.

    Teachers are quitting or not going into teaching because of the low pay and the lies.
     
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    LOL! Critical thinkers must accept left wing dogma without question.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Teachers are being demonized to death by people like DeSantis, so its no surprise they want to have nothing to do with teaching anymore. Florida reached a point where we are hiring 'teachers' who don't even have a degree, and that is almost guaranteed to lower the bar as far as education goes. Its a good example of what divisive & hyper partisan leadership does to a State.
     
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    Some teachers are telling White students to be ashamed,



    slide from the school program obtained by the Post, reveals that children in the KOC Affinity group - meaning children of color - will 'feel embraced', 'explore risks' and 'share experiences about being a kid of color'.

    While children in the Advocacy Group - meaning white children - are taught to 'raise awareness of the prevalence of Whiteness and privilege', 'challenge the notion of colorblindness' and of 'normal', 'good' and 'American' and 'learn models of White anti-racist advocates'.

    Another parent said that the children of color are rewarded with treats and other privileges while the white children are 'made to feel awful about their 'whiteness'.


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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hamed-privilege-segregates-children-race.html

    The lecture at the Norman, Okla., high school was intended to heal the racial divides, a student said.

    The discussion’s premise: White people are racist.


    All of them.

    Following that discussion, an Oklahoma teacher is under fire and a high school is mired in the debate about how teachers should inject
    themselves into conversations about race in the United States.



    NBC affiliate KFOR reported on the controversy last week after receiving a recording from an offended student at Norman North High School.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-period-a-high-school-teacher-told-his-class/


    A Virginia mother yanked her children out of public school after her 6-year-old asked if she was “born evil” for being white — something the young girl purportedly picked up in her history class.


    The Loudoun County woman, whose identity wasn’t immediately clear, detailed her concerns against critical race theory during an impassioned plea at a Loudon County Public Schools board meeting on Oct. 26, video shows.


    “My children are now in private school and are thriving,” the woman told the board, claiming the “swift and uncompromising” political agenda of the district’s former and current administration forced her hand.


    “First, it was in early spring of 2020 when my 6-year-old somberly came to me and asked me if she was born evil because she was a white person — something she learned in a history lesson at school,” the concerned mom said.


    https://nypost.com/2021/11/01/mom-says-white-daughter-asked-if-she-was-evil-after-history-class/
     
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    Your numbers are way too high.

    "A nationally representative EdWeek Research Center survey administered in September found that 27 percent of principals and district leaders said their districts have a vaccine-or-test rule in place, while 63 percent said vaccines will not be required of employees. Just 3 percent said unvaccinated employees cannot work for their schools or districts.

    Adding to the complicated rollout of mandates: There’s little data available about how many school staff members are vaccinated, and how successful vaccine rules have been so far. National survey data, including from the EdWeek Research Center, estimate that about 90 percent of teachers have gotten the vaccine, but school staff vaccination rates are likely lower."

    https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/teachers-who-refuse-to-comply-with-vaccine-mandates-wont-face-consequences-in-many-places/2021/11
    There has been a shortage for years, long before covid. Few teachers have been fired for refusing to take the covid vaccine, but more have retired early or quit because of covid.
     
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    Oh, geez—I'm sure with four million teachers you can find some numbskull is trying to explain Marxism to kids or telling them they should be ashamed of being white.

    If this is going on, how come no one said anything before now?
     
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    Because it is relatively recent. White Fragility was published 2019, for instance.
    The 1619 project was 2020.

    And it has taken a while for the teachers indoctrinated in wokeness to percolate into the schools

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...s-3rs-in-college-teacher-training/ar-AA10brk6
     
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    Survey Finds Teacher Shortage Crisis Exacerbated By Push to Ban Classroom Discussions of Race and Gender -- THE Journal

    • By Kristal Kuykendall
    • 01/19/22
    "Education-equity advocacy nonprofit Stand for Children has released a new national survey of teachers that finds that 3 in 10 teachers are considering leaving the profession at the end of this school year, and more than a third of the 2,000 K–12 educators surveyed cited as a reason new state laws restricting classroom discussions on race, gender, and sexuality.

    “Censorship laws being passed by Republican-led legislatures across the country – and which bar teachers from discussing topics of race, gender, and sexuality – threaten to exacerbate the teacher shortage,” Stand for Children said in a news release. Of the teachers surveyed, 37% said that the push for laws that “prevent honest teaching and conversations in their classrooms would make them more likely to leave teaching at the end of this school year.”

    “There is a direct connection between states pushing for censorship laws and teachers’ willingness to stay in the teaching profession, and students and families are paying the price,” said Jonah Edelman, executive officer at Stand for Children. “At a time when public officials should be supporting kids and families to help students to catch up academically and recover socially and emotionally, these laws are instead fueling crippling staff shortages, and preventing students from learning a truthful, thorough, fact-based account of U.S history that enables them to learn from the past in order to create a better future.”


    The organization noted that 32 states have introduced legislation to ban classroom curricula and conversations on important but challenging topics such as the ongoing effects of racism and inequality in the United States. Thirteen states have already enacted such laws, many of which include stiff punishments for teachers who violate the often-vague guidelines, Stand for Children said.

    Some recent examples include:

    • Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis rolled out legislation that would allow parents to sue schools that teach “critical race theory.”
    • In Ohio, a bill introduced in the state Legislature teachers accused of discussing “banned ideas'' could have their classes not count toward graduation requirements.
    • In Wisconsin, the proposed legislation would withhold 10% of funding to schools that promote “race or sex stereotyping.”
    • In Texas, after a conservative lawmaker listed 850 books he wanted banned, hundreds of books have already been pulled off the shelves, preventing students from learning from Pulitzer Prize-winning authors like Toni Morrison and historical figures like the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
    One respondent explained their dismay with such bans: “Laws restricting classroom discussions take away from the students in that classroom,” said the respondent, a high school teacher in Montana. “Schools are not there to make you think one way or another, and laws restricting discussions force students to only think in one way. Students should be able to discuss what they believe. This helps better prepare them for a world in which they will disagree with others and a world in which their voice matters just as much as other persons.”

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    "Our children are very aware of the world around them, and the focus must be on preparing them for success by giving them the skills needed to address inequality and understand complex, tough issues.”

    Overwhelmingly, respondents agreed that students need to learn honest, accurate, and truthful history even if those conversations are uncomfortable, with 93% of teachers surveyed saying that students “deserve a thorough and accurate account of American history” and that “it is essential for schools [to teach historical truths] to help children learn to value and respect the humanity of every person.”
     
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    Good. Let's purge the schools of these fanatical wokesters.
     
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    The 1619 Project was 2019, but no matter.

    The notion teachers suddenly started telling white kids they should be ashamed of being white and spouting Marxist race theory doesn't pass the smell test.
    Oh, please. History teachers aren't dupes and they don't lean toward "woke" precisely because they're historians.
     
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    They were also outrageously referred to as "groomers" and the ones repeating it know they are using it incorrectly.

    People going door-to-door to confront others demanding to know who they voted for and others threatening election workers. It's preposterous to think these monsters aren't singling out educators as pedophiles in public in the same hateful way.
     
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    Low pay. Massive harassment. Not a surprise at all.
     
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    Teachers way out of the mainstream aren't happy teaching school because students and parents reject teaching students extreme ideas. Fellow teachers don't like extremism, either.
     
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    Has a familiar ring to it, yes?

    League of American anti-Woker Youth
     
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    Good riddance to every teacher who quits because they aren't allowed to teach CRT. They're a waste and a drain in the system.
     
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    What I think is odd is you think CRT is actually a course being taught below college level.
     
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    Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point. Carry on
     
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    I'm good with that. We can start by abolishing the Department of Education.
     
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    I don't believe this at all. For one thing, it doesn't even sound very plausible. More likely the writer of those news articles is just trying to push an agenda.

    A lot of those in education don't like some of the new policies from states like Florida so they're trying to blame the teaching shortage on it.
    But this isn't really the type of reason that would prevent someone from being a teacher there. Maybe an extremely tiny percentage of teachers might decide to leave the field because they feel less free to teach the social activism that they want.
     
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    At the very least the kids need to be taught what America's 45th President, Donald Trump. had to say about the life of one of the most revered emancipated slaves in American History, Fredrick Douglass.

    "Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice."



     
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    But, wait, there's more. If they call now, they can also be tasked with carrying weapons and defending a classroom full of kids if a shooter enters the building, all for living damn near at or below the poverty line, no real time "off work" after the energizer bunnies go home due to grading papers, writing lesson plans, answering emails and trying to get about 5 hours of sleep and playing therapist to all their whiny, b*tchy parents that say they don't do anything but babysit and take it from the other end by a Board of Education that doesn't fight for them or want to fix this so we stop pushing out stupid people into free society while they ride their gravy trains into a sweet pension.

    What's not to love?
     
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    You do realize this is about a private school.
    Something sounds a bit "off" about this story. If she had come to me as a union table officer, I would have told her she didn't have to teach CRT or the "facts" about race touted by supervisors.

    There's nothing inevitable about systemic racism. CRT suggests there is and oppression of minority races is a calculated act. If someone wishes to advance this theory, they ought to provide support for their claim. It isn't part of the Connecticut state curriculum in social studies.

    https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/SDE/Social-Studies/ssframeworks.pdf

    From what I can gather, Ms. Tafuto was exercising her professional judgment on how to present the curriculum to her students. The district gets to assign the curriculum; teachers decide how it is delivered. If the district had objections about what Ms. Tafuto was doing, they should have put their concerns in writing. Telling her how to teach is going too far, however.

    Assuming we have the facts we need, my union would have supported Ms. Tafuto and urged her not to quit. We would have sought district assurances the harassment would end. More such harassment would have resulted in a grievance.
     
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    Just you wait ... we'll have instances of school districts giving hiring preference to gun-toting teachers. :)
     
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    You just didn't have any interest in just lying to me? Maybe just a little bit? Just tell me this is some kind of mash-up of the the original "Twilight Zone" and "Punk'd" somehow and our country isn't infested with functionally illiterate career criminals (Daddy Devil and his Demon seeds) that want to turn it into his Orange Dynasty and there are more than enough little Oranges willing to help him achieve just that by any means necessary and we wouldn't be having this conversation if the mean of those IQ scores weren't lower than Chicago temperatures in January. I couldn't just live in that fantasy for a few more minutes, dude? LOL
     
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