Hmmm....a teacher shortage crisis

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  1. Pycckia

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    One could only wish.

    But the wokesters are interested in recreating the Red Guard. And are succeding.
     
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    The Nazification of American Education - CounterPunch.org

    ULY 22, 2022
    The Nazification of American Education
    BY HENRY GIROUX
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    “…if all this is not fascism, let’s acknowledge it looks a lot like it”

    – Eduardo Galeano.

    DeSantis’s View of Education as Propaganda Factories

    The crisis of education in the United States presents not only a danger to American democracy, but also advances the ideological and structural foundations for the emergence of a fascist state. The slide towards lawlessness and authoritarianism is now aided and abetted by educational policies that are repressive and dystopian, wedded to social control and the death of the social imagination. An unimagined catastrophe now characterizes how American education is being shaped by far-right Republican Party politicians. Nowhere is this more evident than in the policies of Republican Governor Ron DeSantis, who is on the forefront of transforming American education into a feral propaganda tool for producing and legitimating what is euphemistically called “patriotic education.” Coercion, conformity, and toxic forms of religious, political, and economic fundamentalisms now threaten to destroy education as a democratic public sphere, however weak it may be. Institutions of learning at all levels in the red states are becoming laboratories for what I term the Nazification of American education, replicating pedagogies of repression that were at work in Germany in the 1930s.

    The mean-spirited, far-right DeSantis and his Republican allies have inverted an insight taken from the renowned, late educator John Dewey who recognized that politics required informed judgments, public dialogue, dissent, critical exchange, judicious discrimination, and the ability to discern the truth from lies. Instead of embracing these democratic elements of education as central to creating citizens with an open mind and with a willingness to engage in a culture of questioning in order to expand and deepen the conditions necessary for a flourishing democracy, DeSantis and the GOP are doing everything they can to remove such practices both from schools and other cultural apparatuses that function as teaching machines. Under such circumstances, DeSantis and the GOP are producing what Dewey claimed amounted to the “eclipse of the public,” which he considered the most serious threat to the fate of democracy.[1] DeSantis has put into place a range of reactionary educational policies. These include banning books and critical race theory, requiring educators sign loyalty oaths, and forcing them to post their syllabus’s online. He has also instituted legislation that restrict tenure and allows students to film faculty classes without consent, and much more. [2]

    Not only are these laws aimed at minorities of class and color, but this GOP attack on education is part of a larger war on the very ability to think, question, and engage in politics from the vantage point of being critical, informed, and willing to hold power accountable. More generally, it is part of a concerted effort not only to destroy public education, but the very foundations of political agency.[3] DeSantis poses a dangerous threat to higher education, which he would like to turn into “a dead zone for killing the social imagination, a place where ideas that don’t have practical results go to die and where faculty and students are punished through the threat of force or harsh disciplinary measures for speaking out, engaging in dissent and holding power accountable.”[4] In this case, the attempt to undermine schooling as a public good and democratic public sphere is accompanied by a systemic attempt to destroy the capacity for critical thinking, compassion for others, critical literacy, moral witnessing, support for the social compact, and the civic imagination. DeSantis justifies these acts of repression by claiming that “Florida schools have become socialism factories” and that students at all levels of education should not be subjected to classroom material that would make them uncomfortable.[5] This is code for a pedagogy of repression that revels in deception, kills the social imagination, depoliticizes students, and transforms schools into militarized punishing machines, propaganda factories, and components of the security-surveillance state. In many ways, the GOP and DeSantis approach to education is not unlike what Putin is doing in Russia. As a senior Kremlin bureaucrat, Sergei Novikov, recently put it, Putin’s goal is “impart state ideology to schoolchildren….We need to know how to infect them with our ideology. Our ideological work is aimed at changing consciousness.”[6] Indeed! Max Boot, writing in The Washington Post, argues that DeSantis’ educational policies represent “one of the most alarming assaults on free speech and academic freedom [and reveal] a troubling pattern of authoritarianism and vindictiveness that would be extremely dangerous in the Oval Office.”[7]

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    When the debate is lost slander becomes the weapon of the loser.
     
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    More like I don’t want to deal with your nonsense. Goodbye Richard
     
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    That's because I'm correct and you don't like it.
     
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    Have you seen any? I’ve looked for evidence that it is being taught but evidence seems to point in the other direction. :)
     
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    I’ll give you the IB one. If they actually are teaching critical thinking skills we need mor of them. Lots more of them!

    But I don’t think taking college type classes in high school has anything to do with critical thinking. :)

    I still favor vouchers as well.
     
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    How many were fired because they refused a largely untested vaccine?
     
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    Not really. I can hire all the immigrant “labor” I want. There are ample able bodies here. And I used to.

    But the older generation became too old to do the manual labor and the younger generations are nearly as useless as white people that age. Immigrants are much more enjoyable to work with than local “whites”, but if you end up doing all the work yourself you can’t keep paying people for nothing.
     
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    What I think is odd is you thinking I think CRT is actually a course being taught when I’ve never stated or implied it was!

    I’ve clearly stated tenets of CRT are being taught and showed an example. Of course you are welcome to quote me using the PF quote function claiming a course called CRT is being taught. LOL

    You guys and gals and your fallacious arguments. Entertaining for sure!
     
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    It is what happens when "adults" fight their ideological battles through their children.
     
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    Hahahahahaha…nope.
     
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    Oh yes.
    When teachers have to try to educate your children and comply with diverse political opinions of parents snip8ng at them in the background, they say "sod it" and find something else to do.
    Who wouldn't?
     
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    Which is one of the things I already said earlier.
     
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    Any organization that wishes to take advantage of the Dill’s Act in CA can do so by signing a memorandum of understanding contract. Show me the law that excludes an employee association from doing so. Should be easy with your experience.

    Associations can strike if they don’t exclude the right to strike in their contract and MOU. I asked you to show me the LAW that treats associations differently than unions. You can not, so I accept your concession on the matter.

    Some “unions” in CA call themselves associations. It’s in their official name. LOL

    Well, if you are so experienced show me the law excluding employee associations from signing a memorandum of understanding. :) I’ll wait but won’t be holding my breath.

    Of course I know. I just explained to you how intersectionality is a key component of both CRT and what CA is calling ethnic studies.

    LOL. Key components of CRT are being taught. I’m uninterested in your opinion of Marx. It’s irrelevant.

    Do you have Newsom’s numbers? The guy that finally signed the bill mandating ethnic studies that is composed of key foundations of CRT?


    That’s interesting coming from a guy who says he spent his life subverting free market wage determination by organizing the proletariat. :)


    CA unions seem to uniformly endorse BLM. Can you explain why you believe CRT is more (or less) based on Marxism than BLM? Be specific.

    (For the race baiters out there my question is NOT a criticism of anti racist efforts)
     
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    Sure CA has a high cost of living. But teachers there make 1.27 times the average salary in CA while working only about 85% of the hours of other occupations.

    The OP is claiming teachers are short because they have been criticized for teaching or wishing to teach CRT. We should see teachers moving from states like TX to states like CA or IL if this were true. Especially if teachers aren’t just in it for the money…. :)
     
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    i'm still laughing at the idea that teachers are in it for the money.

    ;ets dispose of the "critical race theory" theory first. teachers are not worried about teaching crt. they are worried that those enforcing the new laws have no idea what crt is and will fire them arbitrarily using some bogus crt crap as an excuse.

    teachers who are teaching their students to "hate all white people" might exist, but they really don't belong in the profession anyway. teaching that slavery existed is history. exercises in thinking about why slavery existed, the things that were sone to slaves, and why slavery was abolished are certainly appropriate for students by the time they learn about the civil war.

    why i would be leaving the profession is not crt, or even sel (the evil theory that children must learn self discipline and respect for others) or even "common core" (the insidious theory that there are things that children should learn in school).

    i think i would be leaving if someone, without evidence, called me a "groomer" or a "pedophile." i'd be quitting because that lawsuit should support my family better than any teaching paycheck.
     
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    Why are you telling me this? It was not me who said teachers were quitting/not entering the profession because of criticism. LOL

    My comment about teaching for the money was partly in jest. Teaching is a good path to money by moving into administration though. Although I stand behind the fact teachers are paid more than peers doing the same type work.

    So you can sue because someone referred to teachers as groomers? Wow. Can you point to an actual case?

    Why wouldn’t teachers move to states that support CRT or equivalent instruction?

    I agree many who are quitting or not entering the field don’t belong in education. How is an adult teacher that can’t take criticism about CRT or common core going to guide young students through classroom bullying?
     
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    Here, just for you.
     
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    You have to look at the curriculum. These are university courses.
    They need to be large enough for poor families to choose private schools, otherwise we'll still have government-run schools.
     
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    I said that. They're leaving because of poor pay, covid and public attacks.
    School administrators don't make that much money.
    Flat wrong for STEM subjects.
    Because they aren't interested in or teach Marxism
    The claim teachers are promoting CRT is a rightwing extremist LIE, one you keep repeating, as is the claim teachers are telling white kids they should be ashamed of being white.
     
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    Saying something is welcomed is not saying it’s being taught with the class title “CRT”.

    Your post above is a prime example of the failure of education. A severe lack of reading comprehension and ability to determine correct answers to questions. Thanks for proving my points.
     
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    There are 49 more states.
    I'm not going to educate you about teachers' unions. I will remind you, however, that unions have collective bargaining power.
    Often legacy names they haven't updated.
    Yeah, don't wait.
    No, they aren't because Marxist analyses of systemic racism is key to CRT's flaws and unsuitability to public education, either as a basis for "facts" presented to students or a field of study.
    I pay less and less attention to California politics as I no longer live there.
    Flat nonsense. I got involved with the teachers' union to fight against a rightwing extremist school board in a rightwing community in order to replace the board with real conservatives.
    BLM has Marxists involved, but they're not promoting Marxism.
     
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    Sorry I’m not reading course material. You are in violation of PF rules by providing links without pull quotes or commentary on the link’s relevance. I’ve seen scant evidence of critical thought coming out of college as well. Maybe it’s tucked away somewhere in a corner but it isn’t making it to the marketplace.

    Yes, vouchers should be the exact amount spent per pupil in the public school opted out of.
     
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    No, there is only ONE California, which is the subject of our discussion.

    It’s not possible for you to educate me. I know the facts already and you are unaware of the facts. All you can offer me is unsubstantiated opinions.

    Here is the federal law on collective bargaining.

    Here is the definition of employee association.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/employee-association

    Federal law does not give public employees the right to collective bargaining. States reserve the right to allow or disallow extension of federal bargaining law to public employees. The already mentioned Dill’s Act gives public employees including teachers in California the rights to bargain under Federal law quoted above.

    I guess I can see how CA unions fail at serving their members by getting them a living wage. :)

    Why would they do that? LOL

    I know I’ll never get anything but unsubstantiated opinions from you. But I’ll keep encouraging you to try! :)

    My example of intersectionality was not by chance. Few unfamiliar with Marx’s actual work know he spoke often in equivalent terms to principles of intersectionality (of course the term post dates his remarks). Here are a couple examples.

    And

    And

    So even if you claim to oppose Marxism, you subscribe to Marx’s views on intersectionality and apparently support his views on intersectionality being taught.

    So you moved to Florida? I doubt it.

    If I got drunk and joined the Communist Party USA in my stupor, and exited the next morning, that’s one thing. If I take leadership positions in their organization and work with and for them for 30 years that’s something else entirely. You actively worked to subvert market wage discovery through a worker’s organization. And bash Marx after 30 years in the trenches with him. Funny stuff.


    They are promoting the same things as CRT. Renaming a concept doesn’t change the concept.

    BLM has removed one of it’s most Marxist public statements but I’ve never seen them disavow it.
     

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