Damning Report on Afghanistan Pullout: WH 'Put Head in Sand'

This the problem with the DNC today! MSNBCNN sloppy propaganda has their audience running in around in hundreds of different direction..

Tower of Babylon, syndrome!

 

Trump and Biden share the dishonor of betraying our allies.

 

We should never have left, and it was our "service men & women" who were firmest in that resolve.

 

WTAF

When Biden took office, there were only 2500 troops in Afghanistan. Trump had already removed the troops, ANNNNNNDDDDD, the Taliban already had all the heavy equipment we left behind. Increasing the number of soldiers, while the Taliban was newly Armand with American heavy equipment would have cost hundreds if not thousands of American soldiers lives.

So your claim that Joe should have restarted the war in Afghanistan, is a tacit admission that Trump lost it…right ?

 

Ummmm, he negotiated and initiated the withdraw before he left office…..

Time is linear

 

I agree we should never have left, but that is moot now.

 

Then why didnt he ?

All due respect Rod, but you think the Taliban were going to o do anything we said/asked ? We were literally at war with them for 20 years and they killed hundreds if not thousands of Americans. FFS man….c’mon

 

Yes and Biden was told by Austin to step back and review. Biden refused to listen to his advisors. This is all on him.

 

In all fairness to ourselves, it was never our responsibility to defend the Afghan people against tyranny. That was their responsibility, and they chose not to accept it. To riff on Churchill's famous message to Chamberlain, they were given the choice between war and dishonor. They chose dishonor and now they will have tyranny.

Our responsibility was to defend ourselves against tyranny.

Having said that, I don't dispute the facts that there were/are legitimate national security arguments for remaining in Afghanistan (the foremost being the relationship between AQ and the Taliban) and that the withdrawal was handled in an incompetent and dishonorable fashion that diminished our standing in the world. However, I'm not willing to absolve the Afghans of their own responsibilities, especially when I see Ukrainian men and women fighting their guts out to defend their own freedom.

 

Trump abandoned our allies. Biden joined the betrayal.
And no, the Taliban did not already have all the heavy equipment, let alone know how to use it. That's just a cop out. Those 2500 troops were more than enough to hold the door open for reinforcements, and more than defend themselves against the Taliban.

 

Jack - If you're interested, I'd be interested to hear your expert opinion here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...stan-withdrawal-should-we-have-stayed.602923/

 

I would not call myself an expert, but I've been to Afghanistan and I've seen a bit of conflict.
Shortly after 9/11 the smartest guys in the Pentagon began using the term "The Long War." Their point was that the conflict would be generational in duration. We have been in Germany now for 77 years and counting; that is the appropriate order of magnitude. Now, having betrayed those in Afghanistan who believed in us, and having turned the country over to those who seek our destruction, we can be assured of further attacks on our country from people based in Afghanistan. It did not have to be that way.

 

you make up whatever helps you sleep at night.

this was literally negotiated, signed, implemented and completed by the time Biden took office. You think drawing down the troops to that very minimal number was by accident ?

I love how now the right thinks Joe should have “increased” troops. You guys are, if anything, predictable. Cherry or grape ?

 

you revise what ever helps you sleep at night.

FACT: when Joe Biden took office, the only military personnel left in Afghanistan were at the airport and the US consulate in Kabul. Literally everything else was already in the hands of the Taliban. FFS man

 

That is not true. And btw, the US had an embassy in Kabul, not a consulate.
To the end Afghan army units were engaged in fighting the Taliban and enjoyed US support.
Biden made a choice to join the dishonor of Trump's abandonment of our allies.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

 

LOL! I wondered how long it would take before you pulled that back out!

 

I wonder if the Pentagon, CIA, et al, still subscribe to the Long War outlook, and I ask this because of how well our military and law enforcement agencies have destroyed, degraded and disrupted the operational abilities of al Qaeda and its ilk since 2001. Just as we've passed the high water marks in our conflicts with fascism and communism it appears we have done the same with the Sunni Islamist/jihadist/takfirst groups that emerged during the 20th Century.

I also wonder if and how the Taliban's relationship with their patrons in Islamabad will change. Reportedly, they're already fighting along the Durand Line....

Pakistan, Taliban at loggerheads amid bloody skirmish along Durand Line
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...sh-along-durand-line/articleshow/93570977.cms

Fault lines in Pakistan-Taliban relationship emerge over Durand Line
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/a...onship-emerge-over-durand-line20220627105038/

 

Trump's power and authority as a negotiator with the Taliban ended abruptly November 2020.

 

They did do everything we asked when Trump had the power to do the asking. All that went out the window on November 2020.

 

Good thing the deal was negotiated in Sept. Trump had a press conference on it

But if what you say is true, then why would Trump sign the deal in Dec if it was a bad deal ?

 

BS. Trump negotiated the deal in Sept. If Trump got a bad deal then why the hell did he sign it ?

Your excuses wont fly here. Trumps deal….Trumps alone

 

of course, cause it's a part of history now, did you expect us to forget that Trump made a deal with terrorsits

 

The deal was signed in March.

 

Oh I don't spend a minute of my life regretting voting for Biden in 2020. You see, I would have voted for my most recent bowel movement over Trump. Biden kicking Trump's ass and the American people firing his traitorous ass was exactly the end result I wanted.

Mission accomplished!