Tips on how to help Democrats and Republicans have a better relationship

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  1. Lucky1knows

    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    As I stated in another post. I agree with everything you say BUT the reality is that if this situation does not get fixed with the guidelines the article offered, the only other option is secession or another civil war. Everything points to our country heading into a big abyss and there is nothing that is likely to happen to prevent that.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    So you quote and post to me about another poster, why? :wierdface:

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    In this case I AM THE POSTER YOU ARE RESPONDING TO LMFAO.. Them 80's is hard :)
     
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    There is plenty of White culture to provide novelty. But it does take some sophistication to appreciate it. Bach can provide much more intellectual and spiritual growth and illumination than mariachi or hip hop. Heck, hip hop erodes the finer feelings.


    Now that we have learned to drive, climate change threatens to annihilate the species. And Americans have become fat and lazy.

    I will allow bicycles and horse drawn carriages though.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not true. CONGRESS struck a deal to pass the largest child care budget in history.

    Not only did Trump NOT have any input on the matter. Days after it was passed they wanted the budget passed to other programs
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Addendum-to-the-FY-2019-Budget.pdf

    Instead of the $2.4 billion that Congress passed, Trump wanted to reduce this to $169 million. So even though the final appropriation did include what Congress passed, this was in spite of Trump, and not because of Trump.

    I'm pretty sure we might be able to find two good things that Trump did. But it's not easy at all... Even for his supporters. He just tended to give himself credit for things, not only that he had no part of, but often actually undermined.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why not?

    I don't post TO you. I post to the forum.

    You trying to make it appear as if every post is about you so you can report it as if it were a personal attack is getting a bit tiresome. Could you please give it a rest?

    I know you'll report THIS one to get it deleted but.... you read my request... That's what matters.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    LMAO, I disagree :)

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    Hilarious :) You do realize that you can fill in the box at the bottom of the page to address everyone and NO ONE hahahaha :)
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There isn't. Ran out a looooong time ago.

    Anyway.... I asked what it was you proposed to do with other cultures. You refrained to answer.

    Thanks for playing
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Defund, de-emphasize and stop celebrating other cultures.

    You are apparently unfamiliar with White culture. Why is that?
     
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    I think in time it will be a wash, humanity will breed their uniqueness out.. Example, my Uncle married a Korean from when he was deployed. Their children still had strong Korean features but far bigger frames "Slovenian"! Now they are married, and their children have very little notable Korean attributes but still have the large frames, and that only two generations..

    So, in my opinion in a few centuries mankind will be blended..
    How The Human Face Might Look In 100,000 Years (forbes.com)
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    And I see that perception as well- but I believe something can be done, and I'm going to do my best to make it happen.
    Yes, that sounds presumptive, and most would say foolish- but the fact is nobody is working on it on the right basis. I've been involved with a group that came together close to 15 years back, and decided we needed to find a way to fix the fundamental issues behind political conflicts. We adopted rules from the Lockheed-Martin skunkworks, a design think tank that produced revolutionary answers in WWII. Our group lost members and gained them over the years, but eventually shifted the focus away from the thinking that dominates virtually all politics today, and looked to fundamentals, the foundation that everything depends on. Took us over a decade to realize the problems there are responsible for all those above it, and was the real issue. If we could fix the foundation- the rest would fix itself. Kind of like curing the disease instead of fighting the symptoms. Treating symptoms does not cure the disease, it only makes the symptoms more tolerable- and they persist. On the other hand, if you can cure the disease- all the symptoms go away. It's a very complex situation- and very simple at the same time. Antibiotics were discovered in the twenties, about 100 years ago. 150 years ago, a scratch on your leg could quickly infect and develop into gangrene and kill you, as a vast number of insignificant things could. Antibiotics changed all that, by addressing the underlying cause. A multitude of problems developed out of one common cause, that can't be cured anywhere else but at that cause. Our group never had any motive for money or recognition, only pursuit of an answer to cure the social disease plaguing the nation...which is now at a critical level.

    One of our participants, a constitutional lawyer now deceased, told us that the answer would be kind of like that; the equivalent of a vaccine that dealt with the underlying cause itself.. Find the cause, find the right mechanism to block it. inject it in the right place, and everything changes. Everybody says something can't be done- so nobody tries to do it. Luckily for us all, there are always some stubborn people who try anyway. Most fail, but once in a while, they succeed. We believe we have the right mechanism- and we know where it must be injected, how it can be put in place. The next step is to convince all those resolved to die of the disease to help us make it happen. Very soon, we will be asking for you to do just that- help cure America's disease.

    That may the most difficult step of all. We have always been painfully aware that most people want the disease to go away, but want that to happen without any inconvenience or effort on their part.
     
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    The question I saw was so ridiculous I didn't think you meant it as an actual question, since it had nothing to do with anything I've written, so perhaps you could restate your question as a serious one?
     
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    "Defund"? Your solution is to bring back slavery. I don't think this conversation can sink any lower. I'll just leave it there before anybody thinks there is anything serious to read here.
     
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    Your post is interesting but unenlightening. You tease but don't show how that could actually work.

    Injecting a vaccine into the Republican mind that is totally closed seems to be an impossible task. Is there a vaccine that is able to get rid of greed? able to get rid of a desire for power over everything? able to bring sense to a crazy mind?

    If there is, let us all know. Inquiring minds want to know.
     
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    Oh.... very much an actual question. And I was betting you didn't have an actual answer.

    You wrote in support of a poster who says that we need to get rid of other ... what he calls "races" (people of skin color or other characteristics different from what some call "white people"). I asked how he planned to do that (ethnic cleansing, forced relocation... what?) .

    My bet was that neither of you had thought that over. And I was proven right.
     
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    What I’ve learned from this thread:

    Trump was not President in 2020. It was a fact in 2020 that Trump was President in 2020. That’s no longer a fact.

    Questions I have after reading this thread:

    Who was President in 2020?
     
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    There was no President in 2020. Instead we had an asterisk President*
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...erisk-when-we-mention-president-trump.567779/

    Not sure how you got that question from THIS thread though. I bet you spent tons of time polishing up your post to make it "beautiful" and had it all written up, checked and re-checked, waiting for the opportunity to post it and.... no appropriate thread where to post it. And you couldn't wait anymore. So you just threw it at the first thread you could find.

    You know I'm pretty much right. Don't deny it. It's too obvious.:wink:
     
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    Only if the links, quotes, etc. are regurgitations of LW slogans, mantras, dis/misinformation blurbs, and NOT FACTS. And no, you DON'T know what I mean by "entertaining" as usual your trying to deflect fats with deflection and distortion.
     
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    I don't see that, when Republicans are right, America wins, when Democrat are right America wins.

    When democrats or Republicans are wrong we all lose together.

    We MUST compromise, it can't be an adversarial relationship or we all sink. Perhaps think about that next time someone wants to project that.
     
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    Not a tease- just not ready to go public. We need to be able to present the entire project is simple terms, all at once, or the people with short attention spans would see 5% of it, reach the predetermined conclusion they are right and shut their minds. And it's not the republican mind, but all minds. The fact you want to see it that way makes my point. This has all been very carefully considered.

    This project is:
    Totally non-partisan, neither hurts nor benefits anybody willing to do their job on either side of the aisle. .
    Does not make any new rules. It does rely on rules created by congress already in existence.
    It's simply a systemic correction of a fundamental weakness in an otherwise well-designed system.

    You can't enlighten closed minds, and we certainly know that.
    One would think people would be positive and curious- but like you, most are far more likely to be critical before they have any idea what's going on..... because they think it can't be done, and they want to be right.
    So- your question of how to get rid of certain mindsets determined to have their way is indeed a huge issue.
    That alone makes most potential methods of improving things into things the people will reject.
    Citizens shouldn't have to do this, but lacking any politicians willing to, there's little choice, is there?
     
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    LOL

    There was no President in 2020? Fact or opinion?

    I wasn’t pleased at all with Dubbya in 2008, but it’s still a fact he was President then…

    Recognize this from this thread?


    SMH.
     
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    Fact! Follow the link...
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the basics of what you say are true- but that assumes a few things that are not.
    IF both sides act in good faith, compromise makes sense.
    IF both sides agree on the fundamental values end objectives good for us all, compromise makes sense.
    If either side lacks these things, the nature of the game doesn't make compromise a good idea.
    .

    You may have heard the saying that people who offer to meet you halfway tend to be are damn poor judges of distance?
    Most politicians are lawyers. With few exceptions, lawyers play to win, not to achieve justice, so they "game the system".
    They do this in contracts, in lawsuits- and politics. The object is to win by outsmarting, out maneuvering the opponents, and some are very good at it. Justice has little to do with their choices, and morals are neither needed nor respected by such people.

    So... I make you an offer of compromise. I intend to shoot you twice, once in each foot. You say it's unfair that I shoot you at all. So we compromise- I agree to only shoot you in one foot.
    That is the purpose for asking far more than you are willing to settle for, in being outraged, in making meaningless issues big ones- to move the 50 yard line, so compromise actually lets you win while claiming to be fair. So if you are a smart man, you change your position. Instead of saying it's unfair for me to shoot you at all, you say that you will shoot me four times. That's the adversarial game where the players value winning above self-respect, integrity, and honor. If you go to court and expect the truth to protect you- you ARE the pigeon about to be plucked. This is why judges say a man that elects to be his own lawyer has a fool for a client. Compromise only works when people are willing to be fair. Politics has, unfortunately, lowered the bar to the point you need a shovel to find it.

    Right now, we see this ploy going on every day. IF that were not true- this nation would be thriving, running smoothly, working together to deal with all the things nature throws at us as well as the issues created by our own poor choices. We have a lot of people in positions of power who haven't the slightest interest in that goal. When we stop tolerating that, then we can win together. And it makes no difference which side is to blame.
     
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    Race is an imutable. It's not behaviour.

    And wasn't it you who called for social cohesion?
     
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    \

    Clearly you didn't watch the Queen's funeral.
     
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    "Race" is immutable because there is no such thing as "race". Unless you are referring to the Human Race. That is certainly mutable.

    Of course!
     

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