The unification of East and West Germany is illegitimate

Committee of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation on International Affairs: The unification of East and West Germany is illegitimate, no one was interested in the opinion of the people.

http://eu.eot.su/2022/09/20/russian-senator-proposes-not-to-recognize-the-unification-of-germany/
So far, this fact is not the official position of the Russian government. But who knows? Perhaps this is a hint to the Europeans that the Russians may recognize the unification of the territories of different countries as illegitimate.
For example. The Russians recognize the union of Scotland and Britain as illegitimate, the union of Spain and Catalonia as illegitimate, ... they can recognize the independence of the Basques and Corsicans ... they can recognize the independence of Texas and the illegality of the entry of California and Alaska into the United States .... etc.
And most importantly, the Russians can help these territories gain real independence. Help with the supply of finance, weapons, military specialists .... and in general, the Russians can provide all kinds of assistance in the liberation of these peoples from occupation. Is not it?

So - long live the DDR!

 

By the way, some of Bismarck's statements about Russia.
(Bismarck in 1859-1862 was an envoy of the Prussian king at the court of the Russian Emperor. In the political legacy of grandchildren and great-grandchildren of Bismarck left his remarks about Russia.)

"Don't expect that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don't rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed that supposedly justify you. They are not worth the paper they are written on. So you should either play fair with the Russians, or not play at all."
"The Russians take a long time to harness, but they go fast."
"Russia is dangerous by the scanty nature of its needs."
"Make alliances with anyone, start any war, but never touch the Russians."

Interesting fact - The fate of Bismarck's great – grandson, the fighter pilot count Heinrich von Einsiedel (1921-2007), was linked to the Soviet Union and post-Soviet Russia. On August 30, 1942, the count was shot down and captured at Stalingrad. His life was saved by his relationship with the "iron Chancellor" (Bismarck had such a nickname), who was known and respected in the Soviet Union.
At the suggestion of Soviet political workers, Heinrich Einsiedel wrote an open letter to his mother, Countess Irene von Bismarck-Schoenhausen. The fate of the captured pilot became known not only in Germany, but also in England. Before the war, sir Archibald Kerr, who headed the British Embassy in Moscow in 1942-1946, maintained friendly relations with Einsiedel's parents. In an interview with the people's Commissar of foreign Affairs Vyacheslav Molotov, Kerr asked about the fate of Henry.
Bismarck's 21-year-old great-grandson quoted the words of his great-grandfather in a letter: "Never go to war on Russia." These words were published in the newspaper Front-Illustrertefürden Deutschen Soldaten ("Front illustration for German soldiers"). This is the name of one of the publications created in the Soviet Union by German anti-fascists of The national Committee "Free Germany", whose Vice-President was Lieutenant Einsiedel. From the newspaper page, Einsiedel's great-grandfather pointed at Hitler and said that this man was leading Germany to disaster.

 

You mean they never took a poll of the people tearing down the wall to see if they actually wanted it torn down?

I guess they should set up a referendum on the east side of Berlin.

Maybe they can ask Putin to come save them from the Nazis.

 

You can smell the desperation through the internet.

Funny how none of them want to talk about how the war is going.

 

lol

 

I am sure he thinks it is going well. He as even posted the war has been won. Even though this has been a very long mop up.

 

This is clown world nonsense from a known clown. How is that mop up going, Boris?

 

It is surprising how many former "East Germans" would be content to leave the unified-Germany and go back to being their own separate country again! Sure, they like the improvements in everything from phone service, to better streets and bridges -- but they wouldn't miss the hyperliberal, Germany-hating antics and ruinous immigration policies that the far-Left "Western" Germans have been forcing on the whole country for the past thirty years.

If you know anybody in Dresden, for instance, you might ask them what they think... or talk to nearly anybody in the AfD political party.






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Some scars never heal...

To understand Putin, look to the fall of East Germany and the USSR (nypost.com)

 

I'm sure those East Germans would love to go back to Soviet rule. They had it sooooo good, why wouldn't they?

I hope it's Opposite Day in whatever part of the world this poster is from.

 

You guys are really in to ****ing around and finding out huh?

Go ahead, attack a NATO country. See what happens.

 

Who is the DDR?

Alaska was literally bought from Russia so how could they recognize their own transaction as illegal?

if they do choose to not recognize Germany as they are now it wouldn’t matter to anyone. If they tried to attack Germany or support a rise up than so be it. They would get destroyed.

 

I have spoken to the Germans about politics many times. Both East (former DDR) and West Germans hate the politics of crazy tolerant idiots who seized power and their immigration policy.
And, if you face the truth, then crazy tolerant idiots have seized power in other European countries, and in the USA, and in Canada.

If we talk about the legality of the unification of Germany, then according to the laws of the countries of the DDR and the BRD, the unification had to comply with all procedures and, in particular, the holding of a referendum. This was not done. Therefore, according to the laws (at that time in force) of the BRD and the DDR, the unification procedure was carried out illegally. And this is a fact.

 

Doesn’t matter. The whole world has recognized the current borders of Germany including Germany itself along with Russia. Changing their minds now won’t be viewed as anything other than simply being antagonists. Literally will be a worthless position and only show Russia is losing standing the world

 

Your point is in many ways a valid one. I can think of one clear example of a 'piece' of Germany that was taken away long ago -- East Prussia. If (IF) during implosion of the Soviet Union West Germany had annexed Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia (along with the Russian Oblast of Kaliningrad), would 'the world' have considered that valid...? Indeed, ALL of it was part of Germany prior to the end of World War One.

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We know what will happen if the Russians strike a NATO country. I wrote this in another thread http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ining-russia-for-september-23-27.603958/#post -1073737005
In short - if the Russians strike at a NATO member country, then the Western media will yell and fart. All.

 

Every day is opposite day in Russia

 

*L* @ "crazy tolerant idiots." You don't know how idiotic that sounds.

 

Yes. This is true. There is only one law in the world - the law of the jungle. The right of the strong. Everything else is hypocrisy. After the collapse of the USSR, the United States was the only superpower and therefore did everything they wanted and spit on everyone. For example, they staged color revolutions around the world, bombed the sovereign country of Yugoslavia in the center of Europe, according to their instructions they hanged (like Hussein) and tore apart (like Gaddafi) the legally elected leaders of sovereign states .... And everyone was dutifully silent.
Now the situation has changed. Both economically and politically. Russia recovered and began to regain its position in the multipolar world.
I believe that at one time Kaliningrad was not taken from the Russians only because Comrade Stalin left a large stock of nuclear weapons as a legacy to the Russians. Which in the case of direct intervention in the territorial integrity of Russia would certainly be applied. And this is the only reason why the annexation of Russian territories did not occur.

 

Putin's law is the law of the jungle, hence his spitting on you and telling you NATO done it.

 

A friend who visited Germany told me about the case with a policeman. He detained the migrant and when he tried to escape, he told him the phrase: be quiet, or you will die. Or something similar. But he didn't beat him and didn't use special means. The migrant wrote a complaint: a policeman threatened to kill me. And the policeman was fired. This is a small town, they wrote about this case in the newspaper. All residents were outraged by the dismissal and said that they had been treated unfairly. But in Germany, such a policy is to take care of migrants

 

If you strike a NATO country, you're going to get nuked and we'll divide the radioactive corpse of your nation into spheres of influence.
We'll also get "STALKER III" but it'll be an open world game stretching the entire wasteland that will become your nation if you make so foolish a decision.

 

Looks like a sleeper has awoken.

 

1. Deutsche Democratic Republic

2. Russian Tsar Peter 1 bought the Baltic countries. So the Baltic countries should be part of Russia. Is not it?

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You didn't answer the second question.