Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound'

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  1. Bluesguy

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    You can distinctly tell from the moment of conception, it is human DNA distinguishable from all other.
     
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    Stupid as she is homely.
     
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    You're talking about biology. The science I'm talking about is the political kind and that's the only kind that matters. You might, for example, have climatologists that don't buy in to the whole "Human caused global warming" thing but they are all charlatans because, politically, it's more important for the global government to have a climate crisis. Likewise, biology says that boys are boys and girls are girls. Biology is wrong. The political scientists, the REAL scientists in this world, KNOW that terms like "boy" and "girl" are merely terms of oppression used to hammer kids into a religion based world perspective. This is the reason that Covid masks won't protect you but will protect everyone from you. It's why bullets fired from an AR-15 do immeasurably more damage than a bullet fired from a 30-06 hunting rifle.
     
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    Biologically, Stacey Abrams is correct. At 6 weeks, you may hear a cardiac impulse, not a heartbeat, to detect the early signs of a fetus. That can happen at 5 weeks, 6 weeks, 7 weeks, or even 8 weeks. It depends on the quality of the equipment and the technician using the device. What I don't like is her statement, "manufactured sound" comment. She should not have said that but I guess she was trying to be dramatic in her response.
     
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    She claimed the sound you hear is “manufactured” by men. And you say she’s right?
     
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    Beings have minds. The embryo and early fetus clearly do not have minds.
     
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    :confuse:' ~ Stacey Abrams may be referring to the "new breed" of non-binary babies ... :wierdface:?
     
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    She is right actually because the structure that is beating at six weeks is no where near an actual heart
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    https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Cardiovascular_System_Development
    https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/...ment#Time_Lines_of_Normal_Cardiac_Development
     
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    The overwhelming reason for abortions after 20 weeks is foetal abnormality usually incompatible with life
     
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    Plus it is only a potential being since a very significant proportion are spontaneously aborted
     
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    What would you base personhood on
    It was however Abrams that said she believed fetal heartbeat is a conspiracy.

    If she has a pro choice argument it's best not to say something stupid. Fetal heartbeat isn't a conspiracy. The people that should be most upset about this are pro choice types she is making a mockery of it.
     
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    Isn't that true of every living thing? I've heard of people just dropping dead all of the sudden. Often some form of cardiac infarction.
     
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    As I understand it UT scans can detect it. So if there is a sound it is likely amplified. As UT wouldn't make a sound detectable by the human or even dog ear.

    But being able to hear it simply means it's faint. Not that it's manufactured.

    Abrams is an imbecile.
     
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    It also does not mean there is a fully formed heart beating

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    Remembering that a 6 week pregnancy = four week foetal development
     
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    But they WERE functioning humans prior to this
     
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    The term “heart” is a construct since what has developed by then is NOT a fully functioning independent organ
     
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    Personhood is entirely about having a mind. I dunno, a politician saying something stupid is hardly surprising. They aren't elected for their intelligence.
     
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    I see where you're coming from, but the fact is it doesn't matter at all how developed the heart is. It's a pump. A fully developed heart doesn't equate with a person like a conscious mind does. Other milestones of development are similarly irrelevant like whether it looks more like a baby than a tadpole.
     
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    I don't recall anyone saying that it was a fully formed beating heart. But there is a detectable heart beat at 6.5 weeks.
     
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    What is a functioning human?
     
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    Says who?
    These are the people speaking for pro-choice you're kind of defending her here. I don't think this is just stupid I think it's also coupled with paranoid delusion.

    Conspiracy theories are often dreamed up to protect delusion.
     
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    ~ We all learned this with Mueller's Russia collusion delusion . :bleh:
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    Before about week 8 of pregnancy, a doctor may refer to the fetus as an embryo. The heart of an embryo starts to beat from around 5–6 weeks of pregnancy. Also, it may be possible to see the first visible sign of the embryo, known as the fetal pole, at this stage.

    5th week The developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off.
    The heart begins to beat, and it may be possible to detect it using vaginal ultrasound.

    6th weekThe heart of the embryo has changed dramatically — the basic heart tube has looped, forming an S-shape and creating an area for the ventricles.

    7th weekThe ventricles and atria of the heart begin to separate and develop.

    8th weekThe valves between the atria and ventricles of the heart form.

    9th and 10th weeksThe aorta and pulmonary vein form. By the 10th week, the fetal heart will have developed fully.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...ore about week 8 of,fetal pole, at this stage.

    Unless they are using vaginal ultrasound, it is unlikely they would detect a heartbeat at six weeks.
     
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    doesn't mean it's a person at that point
     

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