Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

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  1. Dirty Rotten Imbecile

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    No one is doing enough.
     
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    As I've said many times, I do not see any scientist who studies climate change proposing that this warming is an existential threat.

    So, how about we stick to the truth? I think you do like the truth.

    The only fair way to approach the problem of greenhouse gas emissions is on a per capita basis. The fact that I live in China (let's say) shouldn't mean that I get less access to fossil fuel that if I live in America.

    The issue of standard of living is that we created our standard of living based on fossil fuel energy. Having the USA tell other nations that they can't use fossil fuel energy to create an equal standard of living is a losing argument from a political perspective.
     
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    Meh. I don't think there's a problem.
     
  4. WillReadmore

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    Well, it is seriously unfortunate that they chose that terminology.

    In the actual paper they say:
    "Life-altering" is NOT the same as "existential".

    Suggesting that this paper is justification for claims that science is indicating that climate change is about existence is pure political nonsense.
     
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    You made a claim about what scientists say. I quoted scientists to refute your claim. Case closed.
     
  6. Dirty Rotten Imbecile

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    Yeah, I see that.
     
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    What you refer to is only one part of the whole formula.....
    what we are dong to STOP deforestation and / or to turn deserts green using mega- scale sea water desalination technology may well prove to be a more important factor in the whole formula.

    https://www.water-technology.net/projects/sorek-desalination-plant/

    Every cubic meter of ocean water or sea water that is desalinated and added to the water table of a nation with lots of desert is good news for the owners of the especially vulnerable real estate along the Bay of Fundy in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, Canada as well as in the State of Maine, USA.

     
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    People in Somalia are starving today, because there continuing droughts and shrinking fresh water sources are killing agriculture. This is especially bad news, as agricultural products are their primary exports, so it is an economic disaster, too.

    Who is going to pay for enough desalination to rebuild Somali agriculture?

    Rather than starve, where should they move?
     
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    People in Somalia have been starving for a long time.
     
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    So, bad news for Australia and Singapore?

    Here in the USA it is the right wing that has attacked and IS attacking academic freedom.

    Places like FL are even making LAWS directing that teachers **** about various topics.

    The libraries are being scoured for books where parents don't like the content.

    How are students supposed to learn when they aren't even allowed access to the topic?
     
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    Off topic. Teachers are not university professors, and they are properly to be guided by parents.
     
  15. Vitaliy

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    Тhere are now more people living on planet Earth that it can feed without harming itself.
    Что doesn't mean you have to kill of half of them. We need to limit our needs.
    Нам следует not have 2 cars per family. We should not increase economic growth by 5% every year - on the contrary, we should reduce production rates.
     
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    It's been a long time since the USA has had a growth rate of 5%.

    Plus, Earth's population growth rate is shrinking.
     
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    The population growth rate is descrrasing, but the consumption growth rate per person is increasing.
    If the demands of the chines an Indians groe to the demandes of the Americans and Europeans, then several Earths will be needed to meet their demand.
     
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    You seem to think they won't be self sufficient.

    I think there CAN by problems, such as cooperation on Earth's warming, etc. But, I would not expect that they will be dependent on foreign sources of food.
     
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    Cost Of The Green Energy Transition: Who You Gonna Believe, Some Research Assistants From Oxford Or Your Lyin' Eyes?
    September 16, 2022/ Francis Menton
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    • Over in Europe, and particularly in those countries in the vanguard of the green energy transition, the enormous costs of this folly have begun to hit home. In the UK, average annual consumer energy bills were scheduled to rise as of October 1 to £3549/year, from only £1138/year just a year ago. (The figure may now get reduced somewhat by means of massive government subsidies, which only conceal, but do not obviate, the disastrous cost increases.) Germany’s regulated consumer gas bills are scheduled for an average annual increase on October 1 of about 480 euros, about 13%, from an already high 3568 euros.

    • Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has happened. They thought they could get rid of fossil fuels just by building lots of wind turbines and solar panels, which don’t work most of the time. Then they suppressed fossil fuel production, because that is the virtuous thing to do. Somehow they lost track of the fact that they needed full backup for the wind and sun, and have no alternative to the suppressed fossil fuels. With supply of fossil fuels intentionally and artificially constrained, prices spiked.

    • And they have not even yet gotten to 50% of electricity, or 15% of final energy consumption, from wind/sun on an annualized basis.

    • Is anybody learning a lesson here?
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    The energy price problem hitting Europe today is the result of the disruption in fossil fuel, especially caused by the war in Ukraine, causing serious reaction by commodities markets that control the cost of fossil fuel.

    Now, we've seen what is undoubtedly an attack on a natural gas pipeline. Even though that pipeline was not heavily used at the time, that is a serious augmentation in the risk of pipelines in general.

    The commodities markets that set the prices of fossil fuel are significantly sensitive to these risks and to the changes in demand caused by Russian supply being restricted.

    Blaming that on clean energy is JUST PLAIN SOPHISTRY.
     
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    European energy was headed for a reckoning well before Russia invaded Ukraine.
     
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    Your lack of any time frame and ZERO cites can only be taken as indication that you are commenting on the current situation.

    If you want to talk about the past, then you need to make that clear.

    Plus, you need to include cites to back your claims.

    Also, if you are going to claim that some country made a mistake in their national energy plan and you want to use that as an attack on clean energy, you need to describe how that was the fault of the clean energy.
     
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    I don't "need" to do anything. If you did not follow the news then it's not my job to conduct a remedial class.

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    German Economics Expert Sees 6 Formidable Problems With Germany’s Green Energy Push

    By P Gosselin on 10. June 2022

    Leading German economist Hans Werner Sinn sees 6 major problems with Europe’s green energy transition (Energiewende) and warns other nations against following the German energy model. Problem no. 1: The Paris Accord is non-binding The Paris Accord in fact has been signed by only 61 of 191 nations and so pledge to reduce their emissions, […]


    Gross Energy Mismanagement: Energy Expert Warns Of Europe Power Blackouts, “Numerous Deaths”
    By P Gosselin on 23. November 2021

    The danger of blackouts in Europe is increasing, warns a German energy export. The result could be “numerous deaths “. Also, $10 a gallon not far off… In a recent interview with independent journalist Boris Reitschuster, German energy expert Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt warns that the risk of as power blackout in Europe is increasing as […]

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    Reemergence Of Energy Sanity? Europe Now Considers Nuclear, Natural Gas As Sustainable
    By P Gosselin on 29. October 2021

    German online heise.de reports here that the European Commission now “aims to classify nuclear power and natural gas as sustainable”, likely in a bid to avert an energy supply meltdown. Previously Europe had excluded nuclear power and natural gas as a climate-friendly source of energy, but now that energy prices have begun to skyrocket and […]
     
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    Way too many people are doing way too much.
     
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    I remember seeing the same story ~50 years ago. There are just a lot more Somalis now.
    Every majority-Muslim country that has no oil is an economic disaster. Coincidence?
    Is lack of potable water the real reason Somali agriculture needs rebuilding?
    They should reconsider their false and evil beliefs, which exhort them to remove women's rights to liberty and force them to bear as many children as possible.
     

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