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That is a ridiculous misrepresentation.

And, CNN pointed that out clearly.

Those troops shot reporters, women holding signs standing behind the lines, kidnapped guys riding bicycles many blocks from the protest, etc. And, your "bomb throwing" stuff is flat out false.

 

I don't accept your claim.

Democrats have NO leadership that is questioning whether we should make our decisions through democracy like we do today.

Republicans as led by Trump absolutely ARE actively undermining our democracy by promoting that democracy can not be trusted, as well as implementing the assaults our our democracy I've pointed to.

 

We don't make our decisions through democracy, to begin with.

Our country doesn't have "leaders". We have representives. They answer to us. We don't answer to them.

 

Ok, so even you believe we make our decisions through democracy.

At the federal level it is representative democracy. At the state and local level it is representative democracy with some issues decided by direct democracy.

 

This country is a republic, not a democracy. The word "democracy" doesn't appear anywhere in the Constitution. But, republic does.

 

Clearly, you have never read our constitution.

There is a whole section on the legislature, what its duties are, how it is divided, how representation is apportioned, how it relates to the other two main branches of government, etc.

Then, you say we aren't a democracy as well as being a republic? Democracy and republic address different issues. Look it up.

 

The Constitution guarantees a republican form of government. I've read it enough to know it says exactly that.

 

But, you missed the part laying out that there are three branches of government, and how the legislature implements representative democracy???

Look, I know that there are lots of Republicans who want to dodge the whole issue of the importance and constitutionality of American democracy, as to do otherwise would make their assault on democracy a clear case of virulent anti-Americanism.

But, on this board (and certainly on this thread) lets be serious.

 

That hardly means that you're interpreting it correctly.

For example, you claim that we're not a "democracy"; we're a democratic republic, ferfucksake. This means that our representatives are ELECTED.

You're such a scholar, but you didn't even know that? *LOL* Go back to school.

 

What form of decision making do YOU want our government to use, when Republicans manage to convince America that democracy is crap and irrelevant to our republic???

Are you in favor of autocracy? Or, what?

I do want to know.

 

I want the government to make decisions based on the Constitution.

 

We aren't a democratic republic. The Constitution doesn't say anything about democracy. Not once.

 

The legislature makes laws in accordance with the Constitution, not based on the majority of the people.

For instance: no matter how many citizens want guns banned, the Congress can't ban them.

 

In other words, you are solidly behind America being a representative democracy.

Good, because that sure has heck is what our founders codified.

From there, how about we start defending democracy?

Democracy requires that participants trust in that method of decision making, even when the result is not what they prefer. When faith in democracy is lost, democracy fails.

Also, democracy loses when representation becomes unequal. Today, we have Trump Republicanism working hard to ensure that representation is NOT equal and that partisan political force can be used to ensure that in

We have work to do to ensure the success of our democracy.

 

We already went way past that.

Once again, the legislature IS designed as a representative decision making body - democracy.

And, that is established as one of the three main branches of government, with check and balances vs. the other two branches.

 

But, the Congress can't just make up laws based on what the majority of the citizenry says.

There aren't three main branches of government. There are just three branches of government. There are no other branches. And they're co-equal.

 

This isn't a sensible argument, as only Republicans talk about "banning" guns.

The issues are more nuanced than that. Everybody knows that there are many who hunt, who like target shooting, who are scared enough that they think they need guns in their homes, etc.

 

Since your arguments so far have been massive failures, you're going to try dishonesty?

 

"There aren't three main branches of government. There are just three branches of government."

What's your point with that?

Also, the branches are very much NOT equal. They each have areas of authority and limits in how much they can affect the other branches.

 

Name one Democratic party congressman or president who advocates banning guns in any more than specific venues.

 

I didn't say they're equal. I said they're co-equal. Your last sentence proves my point...lol

 

Joe Biden, Diane Feinstein, Robert O'Rourke, Eric Swalwell, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Kathy Hoschul...shall I go on?

 

In Portland, it appears that individuals have been arrested who were engaged in peaceful protests and not breaking any law. This upends the First Amendment’s guarantee of free speech and freedom of assembly, as does the use of tear gas and projectiles to disperse peaceful protesters. And for the president to use federal law enforcement in a blatantly political way — that earmarking of cities with “liberal Democratic mayors” — also infringes core principles of the First Amendment.

As to the Fourth Amendment, in news reports, protesters in Portland describe being put into unmarked police cars by officers who did not identify themselves, being detained in the federal building and then released. These are arrests without probable cause, violations of the amendment’s guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure.

Oregon has filed suit against Trump’s use of federal forces in Portland. Individuals who were illegally arrested and detained are sure to sue. We have to hope the courts will step in quickly, recognizing how truly extraordinary and dangerous Trump’s unconstitutional actions are for the Constitution and for democracy.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-07-24/donald-trump-portland-border-patrol-constitution

 

What is the difference between "equal" and "coequal"?

And, make it good or retract your complaint.

 

Again, none of those wanted to do more than ban guns (in some cases specific guns) from specific venues.

Remember that lethal weapons in the civil environment, including guns, have long had restrictions.

In other words, you haven't even started.