Where is the left?

More fun CA facts. California has the sixth highest state and local government debt per capita nationally. It’s residents have the third highest per capita personal debt nationally. The notion CA has a budget surplus is just funny math. They are swimming in debt and unfunded liabilities.

 

Please stop.

You are making my lefty brain hurt.

 

True. CA cities are heading towards insolvency in spite of abundant resources and a "surplus" (A fancy way to describe overcharging tax payers.)

 

Yep. The people are figuring out there is no future there. California is experiencing the first zero to negative population growth in it’s history. Without undocumented immigration it would already be a giant ghost town.

 

Just google "least affordable cities in US". Its not a whining point for me, like CA is for you. I choose to live here.

 

They had $52 billion surplus, and $9.5B is given back to taxpayers in form of refunds, and the rest goes into the reserves. As for accumulated debt, its #18 in US

 

Miami doesn’t crack the top 10 in any list I can find.

https://www.kiplinger.com/real-estate/605051/most-expensive-cities-in-the-us

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/23/the-10-most-and-least-affordable-us-cities-to-live-and-work.html

 

They might call it a surplus but if you have state debt and unfunded liabilities it isn’t.

My stats are accurate.

 

Same source 6 months later. Also, office space in Miami is about the same price as Manhattan, NY.

It is what it is. If I wanted to sound like you guys, I'd post something like this every day: "oooohhh.....this is what happens when Republicans run things..aaaaahhhhh". But I'm not like you guys, so I don't do that. Its a supply vs demand thing. Ask a friend about it.

The 12 least affordable housing markets in the U.S.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/16/least-affordable-housing-markets-in-united-states.html
1. Miami

• Median household income: $44,581
• Median home price: $610,000
• Share of income: 87.39%

Its a 2022 surplus, no matter how you spin it, Clinton had a surplus one year, but it didn't mean all debt had evaporated, There is a different between deficits/surplus and debt.

 

Who says I am special?

I am what I am supposed to be. That is not being special. If being who you are is being special, the I fit the bill. Nonetheless, I do not compare myself with other people. That is not why I am here in life. I am here, to be the best person I can be. Others do not have that goal.

A LOT of people are not what they are supposed to be. They do not have morals, ethics, principles or humanity. Trump, for example. Lots of people that support Trump do not have those guidelines in life either..

 

You assume way too much. This system survives because workers support it. If they stop supporting it, as you can see with the Trumpers denouncing everyone they see as responsible for their declining real income (like you, they don't knprogow why they're getting poorer), we could end up with a socialist model.

The question turns on what we an do to increase their incomes within a capital system. My preference is a market solution, not social welfare programs. You seem fixated on getting as much for yourself as fast as you can get it, and the hell with poor people. Am I wrong? I don't think so.

It would seem to describe you Trump types rather well.

 

Resorting to dodges and ad hom fallacies is an example of unwillingness to engage in polite discussion. Thats the topic we are discussing.

 

You think houses alone determine cost of living? What do you eat, manna from heaven?

I understand the fuzzy math involved in budget surplus. The fact remains California is functionally bankrupt.

If you are underwater on your $400,000 house, make $30,000 per year, have $70,000 on credit cards, and know you are going to have to pay your brother-in-law for his boat you wrecked but have $5 left in checking at the end of the month after paying utilities you are not financially healthy. Even though you have a “budget surplus”. Budget surplus is meaningless.

Tell the company with the mortgage on your house and the CC company you have a budget surplus.

 

Do you mean "the left" or do you mean "the democrats"? Just curious. Some of us consider democrats more vile than the GOP because they should at least no better than be supporting some of the nonsense they support.

 

Lots of general words that don't make a debate point. What nonsense are you talking about? and if you do state it, make sure you support the statement of "nonsense" with data and facts.

 

You must think this is fiction...



Some people consume their way out--assuming what you mean is they waste money on junk they don't need--but many lose their jobs and can't find new ones because they have out-of-date work skills.

 

They aren't as concerned about the amount of Trump's income as they are about seeing if they can discredit him. Most pols' incomes aren't being examined carefully.

 

Truth against your beliefs often causes that kind of reaction

 

LOL. I have informed you many times I have never voted for or supported Trump. Nice try though. I expect voluminous fallacy from you.

I’m not assuming anything. You publicly stated you are skimming from the worker even though they are doing the production and you aren’t. You are the problem you keep complaining about.

Why would you think I want as much as I can and to hell with poor people? Be specific. I was a “poor people” for about 50% of my life. I still live like a “poor people”. I just bought a new pickup. It’s a 2002 to replace the 2000 model I had. I’ve never been motivated by wealth. The older I get the less interest I have in “stuff” or money. What I have is the product of my labor, not some low wage employee who’s productivity gets shipped off to your accounts. I’ve gone from dirt poor to let’s just say “not poor” and the wealthier I’ve become the more I loath elitists who complain about the plight of workers while skimming the lions share off of productivity themselves.

I specifically don’t invest in the stock market because I’d rather invest in less exploitive ventures. I have no employees and trade labor when necessary.

Again, what in any of my posts implies I want riches at the expense of the poor. Be concise and thorough. You made the accusation, back it with evidence.

 

What truth against what “beliefs”? Be specific.

Please read up on what ideology is.

And when you get a chance answer my previous question asking you to define “left”.

 

I full well know what an ideology is and I can say with100% certainty, that I do not have an ideology.

As far as defining the "left", they are the people that disagree with the right.

 

You do not have any idea what an ideology is. Look it up.

LOL. Then define the “right”.

 

The right are the people that believe in conspiracy theories and believe that a nation is built by individual effort with no restrictions against hurting others.

As far as ideology, I have to believe it is you that doesn't know the meaning of it given that you seem to think I am using an ideology

Ideology =a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

My way of thinking has nothing to do with politics or policy.

 

You started a thread about unwillingness to engage in polite, honest discussion, followed by your own unwillingness to do the same. This post is a sweeping generalization fallacy and unfriendly. Aren't you just doing what you criticize others for?

 

So you just defined groups of people as left and right based on policy they support or don’t support. You apparently believe what you posted about the “right”, correct?

Then the only logical conclusion is your thinking definitely has to do with policy.

You earlier referenced your belief that people have the rights mentioned in our government’s founding documents. That’s clearly an ideology. A system of ideas and ideals!