Ukrainian law enforcement shoots 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson — emergency worker

If that was it, then there would be no invasion. But they made 3 grave mistakes that threatened Russian national security. After refusing to upholding the Minsk agreement and refusing to stay neutral. As if this wasn't enough, they sought to join a oposing military block.

They also coveted Russian most strategic and only naval base in the region in Crimea

And rigged elections? Sounds like US.

The situation in Arizona is mind blowing. Should there be a violent uprising there? Would it be OK for Russia to funded it? What if after seizing control, they sought to take over strategic military bases that US built there? Would we stand back and watch? The answer is no

 

Your post proves one thing – Russia’s propaganda is very efficient. Why? Because in the West we have freedom of expression and it is very difficult for Western government to hide the truth, for authoritarian regimes it is very easy.
It common knowledge that at the end of WWII, the US relocated some of Nazi Germany's most brilliant minds, the famous example is German Nazi Wernher von Braun responsible for developing NASA rockets, but what about Russia? Did Russia too relocated some of Nazi Germany's most brilliant minds? The surprise answer is YES!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

And what about Ukraine? Is core of what Ukraine is Khazaria?
Let see what the brightest Russia’s mind, world class military expert, impeccable strategist have to say:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

 

Russia is not the arbiter of all sovereign nations. It's not up to Russia as to what Ukraine does with regards to NATO. And if this were really about NATO then this was the dumbest dipshit move, as this had created NATO expansion in Sweden and Finland as well as gave NATO a purpose and unified its members.

Arizona? You mean if Russia moved in the Wagner group and somehow magically a bunch of Russian seperatists popped up there and started to cause an uprising? Yeah. I'd expect the United States to shut that **** down. Just as I would if Petersburg were to suddenly declare themselves American.

The people voted for their independence and traded up for it. Their want to be away from Russian influence wasn't something funded. That's what they want. That's what they've always wanted. But magically in all the eastern regions which had vote high 90's for independence, their grew a swath of Russian seperatists backed by the Wagner group which Russian denied was even there. Only to admit it after the fact because that's how Russians roll.

In dipshit Russian ideology they would say something stupid like..."well south California now has a lot of mexicans in it so now it's part of Mexico!"

That's not how sovereignty works. Ukraine was happy to stay neutral until Crimea in 2014. This wasn't about NATO. NATO is already on Russia's borders. This was about Russia losing influence and trade. Putin said it himself in a recent speech, just as he did in 2008 privately with George Bush. "Ukraine isn't really independent...it's sovereignty relies solely on Russia". To him Ukraine has always been Russia and will always be Russia.

Midget Hitler thinks he's Peter the great. Well that's not how the world works. And he's finding out the hard way

 

Actions have consequences. And from a geopolitical standpoint such a move endangers Russian national security.

America doesn't hesitate to invade weaker countries that endanger its national security and jeopardizes its geopolitical interests. Neither should Russia.

What's good for the Goose is good for the gander

Logic 101

And in a proper analogue, that would be if Russia armed and funded a domestic group. Maybe something like the Arian brotherhood

 

Mafiosi entire space program since end of ww2 was a product of captured German scientists ....AK 47 is basically STG44 Sturmgewehr....it's chemical weapons were moved from Germany (Dyernfeurth) Berlin area....to outside Beketovka?...near Volgograd(Stalingrad),etc.

 

There's a grand total of 3 countries that were never invaded by US or saw its troops stationed there. Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein. Russia isn't as aggressive as US in the aspect of invading other countries and undermining their sovereignty.

 

NATO is not going into Russia. All NATO does is eliminates the chance for Russian aggression. And NATO is already on Russia's border. And NATO has now become more united. And has expanded as this act of aggression has reaffirmed the purpose of NATO.

If this were truly about NATO then this was the single most dipshit idiotic move. As a peaceful partner in Russia would have gone far further in the dismantling of NATO then one who aggresses.

America doesn't invade to conquer. That's Russia. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria...none of these places are now declared "the 51st State of America". Something dipshit Russian Bot "whatabout" isms can't wrap their tiny little programs around. I don't think anyone would care if Russia decided to bully up Ukraine. But this was never about NATO. This is about sphere of influence. Russia believes it has an inherient claim to Ukraine. So this isnt a war to purge NAZI's or Satanism or some other dipshit excuse. This is conquering land and declaring a claim to another soveriegn nation.

https://worldnewsera.com/news/europ...atehood-a-fiction-history-suggests-otherwise/

“Modern Ukraine was entirely and fully created by Russia, more specifically the Bolshevik, communist Russia,” Mr. Putin said. “This process began practically immediately after the 1917 revolution, and moreover Lenin and his associates did it in the sloppiest way in relation to Russia — by dividing, tearing from her pieces of her own historical territory.”

"Mr. Putin also argued on Monday that the myth of Ukraine was reinforced by the crumbling Soviet government of Mikhail Gorbachev, which allowed Ukraine to slip free of Moscow’s grasp. It was a weakened Moscow that “gave” Ukraine the right to become independent of the Soviet Union “without any terms and conditions.”

“This is just madness,” he said."

Logic 101

 

Yeah. That's why they keep pushing their military block closer and closer to Russia. Putting nuclear cable missile systems at their border in Poland.

NATO could say that they will never invade Russia, but as shown previous statements, their words are worth less than dog ****. They also said that they will not move their military block one inch further. Look at it now.

Even back when US violated their own treaty by putting nuclear capable missiles in Poland, they refused to sign any documents to ratify this. They just said "trust us"

Well. They've proven the verbal agreement and statements mean nothing.

And US does invade to conquer. They kill/depose the leadership that's against them and install new leadership that's sympathetic towards it. That's conquest if I ever heard it. Ruling through proxy. They then build military bases there just to keep tabs on them. To make sure that they stay in line.

 

Now that's funny!!,.....Mafiosi isn't aggressive?.....that must be the joke of the day?

 

They are not "pushing" anything. People JOIN of their own free will. And why wouldn't they? A collective defensive treaty to insure ones sovereignty means you spend less on defense then you would otherwise.

Like only a dipshit Russian bot would blame NATO for Finland and Sweden suddenly wanting to join.

And only a dipshit Russian bot would think one inch eastward was a promise worth anything now.

It was a verbal promise not in writing made by baker who didn't have the authority to gorbechev of the so it union which is a government that no longer exists.

The United States does spread democracy though. I'm not going to apologize for the desire to have governance elected by the will of the people in how they wish to govern and not dictated by on high like it is in Iran Russia China and north Korea.

But conquer? Nope. There is no conquering. Just freedom from oppression. Which of course has certain midget Hitlers scared

 

"Clean up on aisle six."
And btw: It's "just deserts."

 

But we have all been told the Ukrainian forces are better than the Russians. Now you know you've been lied to.

 

I think we've all been told that Russia is currently trying to conquer land through act of war.

That seems to be the case.

See violence is going to happen on both sides...HOWEVER, only one side is currently invading another soveriegn country to actively commit violence and conquer land. If it were the case that Ukraine was in Moscow commiting violence on Russians, I would be pissy towards Ukraine.

Get out of Ukraine (including the radical/violent Russian seperatists and the Wagner group) and BOOM! Nobody is commiting acts of violence on anyone.

If you want to live under Russian rule...move to Russia. Easy peezy, lemon squeezy.

 

Do a little digging for me, go and look at the sources and find their ties.

Can you not use Wikipedia? Any other sources?

Where and who are the current Russian nazis? Who and what are the group(s)? Don't forget, current, not ancient history.

So, Ukraine just popped up out of nowhere, with no origins from anywhere else? Why does the US State Dept have an interest in the country, it's not for the people.

An interesting read.

 

Tass? Lol what rot

 

Before or after they install the latest software update?

 

Lol. Those borg implants just aren't what they once were.

 

Yes, we sane people have known for quite some that morally deficient Russian trolls have been lying to us for decades constantly throughout the internet.

And yes, it's true - Ukrainian forces are better than the Russians. Any sane examination of the facts bears this out.

Yes, we been lied to by Russian trolls for quite some time.

 

Thanks for explaining again why Natos promise that it won't do anything is worth less than dog ****. And why this action from Russia is justified. Especially since they refused to make written promises.

We sure did bring alot of freedom to Lybia and Iraq. They became so much better off. Freedom that saw destruction of their countries. The death of hundreds of thousands civilians. And untold more. Arming terrorist groups who ran rampant. As well as mass theft of wealth

Gaddafi wasn't a good person by any means. But he wanted to untie Africa under a singe golden dinar. So to stop him, we brought them "freedom". We stole their gold and armed terrorists who ran rampant. Just like that, through the "freedom" that we brough, Lybia turned from the wealthiest African country to a terrorist **** hole


What a tool...

If you think we murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and armed terrorists groups who later morphed into groups like Isis to spread "freedom", then I don't know what to tell you. Because clearly, those jihadis who we armed want a democratic system. Lol. Talk about logic

I though I was debating a reasonable person. But it seems like I was just debating a tool. What a waste of time.

 

How's japan doing? How's South Korea doing?

I didn't agree with the Iraq war but let's not pretend that Saddam was good guy. Or Gaddafi.

You haven't been reasonable since the beginning. Once you lose one point you roll into the next and now you are down to "whataboutisms".

Go. Download the latest software update. Get back to me. I don't need to support all of the United States past wars to have the ability to disagree with what Russia is doing. That's a desperate hot take by a desperate bot.

I think I can absolutely make the claim that Russian, Iran north Korea and China are ran by authoritarian regimes desperate to retain control.

And I can also point out that there is fundamentally a huge difference between a sovereign country willingly joining a defensive partnership like NATO of their own free will versus NATO aggressively expanding like what Russia is trying to do...right now.

And furthermore, I can also point out how dipshit of an idea it was for Russia to go full aggressive and prove to the world the need and purpose of NATO's partnerships versus playing nice and agreeable trade partner and allowing NATO to dissolve on its own.

Putin ****ed up. And now he has more NATO. Not less. He has less trading partners, not more.

He proved that everything Trump had warned the west about was absolutely correct.

He's an idiot.

 

Instead of addressing the points and examples put forward, you moved from them to propagate your point of view. Using 60-70 year old examples. Pretending that we are still the same country. Asking "what about Japan and South Korea". Then complain about others using whataboutism in the very next paragraph. Lol



Never explaing how murdering hundreds of thousands civilians, stealing wealth, and arming terrorist groups and impovrishing the richest country in Africa who sought unification under a singe currency brought freedom. The only thing it brough was massive wealth for our military industrial complex.

So again
Sorry, I dont debate tools

This will be my last reply to you here. Have fun.

 

Lol you bots really need to come with sturdier stuff.

I don't need to address or answer for whataboutisms to have a negative opinion on what Russia is doing.

That's basically the end of that last card you tried to play.

Whataboutisms...lol...

 

...it's amusing that we're still listening to all the same waffle; NATO and Minsk Treaties and Nazis all the other puerile narratives concocted over the last couple of years just to keep a few kleptocrats and one mad wanker in power....


I mean it's now a holy crusade.....??.....all waffle



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They're so far up their own bungholes that can't see anything now

 

Sure, here are not wikipedia sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim#References

Nazi party was a German party who fought for race purity of German people, Nazis consider Slaves an inferior race - no Ukraine party is fighting for German race purity, no Ukrainian party consider Slaves an inferior race, so if there are Ukrainian organisation who consider Ukrainian as inferior race, please show me. Todays "Nazism' is Russian invention of Russia propaganda, name calling the same as in the US some Republicans call opponents 'communists' or 'socialists'. More correct name for groups like Azov Brigade should be 'Racists' or 'Fascist'.
And here is a list or Russian fascists groups:
Eurasia Party, Slavic Union, Russian Goal

Did you read the article of the brightest Russia’s mind, world class military expert, impeccable strategist? He explain the origin of Ukraine.
Why does the US State Dept have an interest in the country? Because the US State Dept is afraid of Russia authoritarian Russian regime and hopes that democratic Ukraine will give example to Russian people to get rid of Putin regime and make Russia democratic country.

 

Still based off wiki. Got anything that is not associated with wiki?

No, because they fear their plans of global domination will fail if they allow the Russians to destroy their main black budget bank rolling country and that Ukraine is key ground as an access point into Russia. Who actually imposes global authoritarian rule and has more bases dotted around the world? Any guesses, it ain't Russia. Isn't it the nazi ideologies of a one-world government, one-world currency and a new world order imposed on the sovereignty of every human and nation on the planet by the western oligarchs pushing for it like those of the WEF and associates?

Don't hear much from these so-called groups, have they been 'detained', not like the Ukrainian government which condones if not orders the actions of the neo-nazi factions which still operate in a very limited capacity nowadays.

No, nazism fits. When we talk about Ukraine's recent history, the CIA's and US State Dept's involvement in Ukraine raised extremist groups to enact a coup and the nazi ideologies embedded into western Ukraine's culture after WWII. Not only that, the USSD helped the nazis in Ukraine escape the Nuremberg trials held after WWII.

It has been prophecised that Putin/Russia will save humanity. You will ask from what, and the answer is what I've already posted and expressed. Should Russia fail, we and our children and future generations will live the dystopian dream, a 1984 Orwellian dream.