Black Reparations.

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    can you repeat please, this ^^ makes no sense...
     
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    I'd like for someone to explain to me how paying out reparations to black people in America would make logical sense in the year 2022. Where is the money going to come from? Taxes obviously. Black people pay taxes too, I pay quite a bit actually. So basically the government would use my own money to pay me for reparations for slavery?

    Or are we going to attempt to navigate the blatantly illegal approach of only using white peoples tax money? Or exempt black people from paying taxes for X amount of years until the money saved equals out to whatever arbitrary amount we are deeming is adequate compensation for each black person for reparations?

    Good luck getting anything like that through the courts.
     
  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what precedent-where have those who suffered no damage being given compensation from those who caused no damage because the former group were distantly related to some who had been harmed?
     
  4. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.

    Slave Compensation Act of 1837.
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    LOL that paid slave owners for the loss they suffered when their property was emancipated.

    how does that relate to US taxpayers giving black Americans in the current era compensation for something someone suffered (involuntary servitude) over 150 years ago
     
  6. Esau

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    :applause:


    Well done. :trophy:
     
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    I guess you cannot quite understand that has no relevance to paying people who have lost nothing. what have current American blacks lost?
     
  8. Esau

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    guess you cannot quite understand that this means millions of ppl, many on this very forum, have been paying compensation to "someone" for something nobody was directly a part of.
     
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    Matt84 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so the next time someone black commits a crime, you're not going to do the typical thing and blame the other black who had nothing to do with it........or will you make an exception and continue to do so?
     
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    Hey ... a gravy train's a gravy train!

    Even when it means going full Hitler eugenics to get it :p
     
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    Post of the week!
     
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    Lame-the act you cite involved people who legally owned others-property they had paid for and when that property was taken away from them, the owners were compensated. Current woke reparations involve people who never suffered slavery being compensated for that condition by those who never had slaves. completely different
     
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    That's the goal.

    They want the common man surrendering all his power, as soon as possible. When he surrenders his power, he surrenders all his resources with it. It's perfection, if you're the overlord type!
     
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    Your typical lame straw man. I've never done such a thing so take your straw man and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
     
  15. Esau

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    guess you don't understand that the act enabled ppl living today to receive reparations from ppl living today for something that happened 200 years ago. This is not brain surgery.

    :wall:
     
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  16. Turtledude

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    so why should we adopt such a stupid law? where was there precedent in the US justice system/ Britain stopped mattering to us after Cornwallis surrendered..BTW there is a strong argument that blacks in the USA today are in a better position that they would be in if their ancestors had never been brought here against their will. Check out the standard of living of American blacks versus those in the countries where one group of blacks sold other blacks to slave traders

    another difference is this-the law of 1837 was an entitlement to property owners who lost property. The debt vested at that time. that heirs to the creditors could later collect is far different than the concept of giving reparations to those who never had a just claim. It would be like someone who never owned slaves that they paid for and were deprived of nor were heirs to someone who had been in that position, demanding payment. Furthermore, the welfare system has cost us taxpayers far more than that English law did to its tax payers
     
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    Seemingly everlasting equality of opportunity, the same respect a white person gives another white person, heightened suspicion, assumption of less intelligence, being the subject of cruel jokes, rejection in certain neighbourhoods , the dislike of mixed marriages...
    Some of this is changing...slowly. After 150 years of emancipation in the US and 200 years in Europe, progress is extremely slow.

    Having said that, the best reparations that can be made is to speed up the progress in how black people are regarded as real equals to white people. It doesn't cost a penny...just an open mind.

    BTW it is time white people stopped excusing slavery by always pointing out that Africans had slaves too.
    Yes.
    BUT WHITE PEOPLE WERE SUPERIOR and should have known better. I blame educated people far more for conducting slavery than uneducated people.
     
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    I think people understand the premise of individual responsibility. But groups such as cultures have a responsibility too- in that what you do as a member of any identifiable group will reflect and affect all other in that group to some extent.

    If black dogs were 40 times more likely to bite you than white dogs- you wouldn't trust any black dog, and you are not going to ignore the track record.
    That would impose a distrust on the good black dogs- but it would be a rational and logical response that any prudent person would have.
    If the situation were reversed and white dogs did the biting, the perception would also reverse. It's not discriminatiuon- it's logic; common sense, prudence.

    The color of a dog isn't a factor in behavior of a particular dog, but if anything serves as an identifier of behavior common to a group, all in that group will be affected by that perception.

    In the crime of felonious assault, the odds of a white person being assaulted by a black person are 42 times greater than that of a black person being assaulted by a white person.
    The black person who finds a less than an open arms welcome needs to be aware that the community they are part of has created, as a group, an image that preceeds them individually.
    While the percentage involved in creating that is small, it is none the less factual. Despite policies and admonitions, that perception won't go away or be ignored until it no longer applicable..


    US Beureau of Crime Statistic

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    It isn't likely to happen.

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    This is disgusting BS you should know better than to promote.
    More of your disgusting BS.
     
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    ah the racism of low expectations. If American blacks want reparations they should first look to those who sold them to slave traders. I will give you a hint. it wasn't Americans or even British settlers in America. White folk are not the reason why blacks-compared to similarly situated Asians or whites, have far higher rates of violent crime, failure in schools etc. Many black leaders want to use racism as an excuse for social pathologies that are best cured internally
     
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    You have no basis for this claim--well, other than what you probably hear on extreme rightwing media.
     
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    Seems like his point is an uncomfortable truth. and his point has much merit. I get tired of being told I or someone like me owe blacks anything. My family -at least the ones that were here at the time-were mainly abolitionists and Union officers. Most of my ancestors came over after the civil war. So why do I owe anything? I have been robbed and mugged by black criminals-do they owe me reparations?
     
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    So, you figure it's genetics?
     
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    It is amazing that lefties assume that the only way a conservative gets an idea is from the rare entity known as the "extreme rightwing media" but lefties are not parroting the massive disinformation that comes from the much more pervasive LEFT WING MEDIA, and BIG TECH which is dominated by lefties
     
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    social pathologies, not genetics. I have known a couple dozen black kids adopted into Jewish, Asian and white families. All were honors students
     

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